Hallo Dragon 76,

since the cultural revolution from former 6.000 monasteries in Tibet only 13 have not been destroyed. Buddha images, scriptures and devotional objects have been destroyed. Monks and nuns have been persecuted. Perhaps we can agree that most Tibetans are devoted Buddhists, can´t we? Do you think destruction and persecution does help the Chinese to be loved by Tibetans? Why do you think thousands of them try to escape every year? They even give their children away to bring them into exile. Do you think parents would do that for nothing?

And would you like to see more Tibetans than Han Chinese on the place you live? Perhaps you know - or you can see for yourself - that there are more Chinese in many Tibetan areas than ever before, in many places outnumbering the Tibetans? Would you really like these funny Tibetans all around you, with all their prayer wheels, incense and other rubbish and superstition? Can we agree that most Tibetans think and feel differently than most Han Chinese?

Finally, to your accusations as to American Indians, Maoris etc. It´s a sad history, and sure the west is to blame.  But that doesn´t free the Chinese government from their responsibilities, their guilt and their shame. There is no right to suppression, genozide or human rights violations, no matter what others have done.

is the british hands and through the british-more likely parasitic enlgish race -are the hands of anglosaxon race of other countries.
that is a war aggoing on betwnne theanglosaxon parasites versues the rest of the world -must be recognized quickly and world be better prepared to destroy england rather than be destroyed otherwise.


British media ia an evil organistation of the evil people.
http://www.larouchepac.com/news/ ... ew-enemy-image.html


The Economist Builds China as the New Enemy Image
05 May 2008

[Economit+Pic] May 5, 2008 (LPAC) --The May Day issue of the British Fabian's primary voice, The Economist, dramatically escalates the British campaign to prepare the world for war on China. The cover story is titled "Angry China," with a picture of a menacing dragon's eye, ready to pounce. The article portrays China as being swept up in a nationalist rage, in a "frightening mood," with "thousands of Chinese people waving xenophobic fists," proving that China is a "more dangerous force than optimists had hoped."

The Fabian fascists don't stop there - they add that while this enraged mass is a serious danger to the world, it could potentially be turned against the Chinese government itself, if the West plays their cards right. "Popular anger, once roused, can easily switch targets," the old colonialists pronounce, pointing to the thousands of popular demonstrations in China against the government, over corruption by local officials, pollution, and human rights abuses. This, of course, is the age-old "divide and conquer" techinique, familiar to empires from the Romans to the Brits today. The article concludes with a classic Imperial warning to China, that they better learn to "respect foreigners' rights to engage it, even in its `internal affairs.'"

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Original posted by rainer at 5-5-2008 03:04
Hallo Dragon 76,

since the cultural revolution from former 6.000 monasteries in Tibet only 13 have not been destroyed. Buddha images, scriptures and devotional objects have been destroyed. Monks an ...

What bro, I thought you said there was NO genocide in the west. Why are back peddling now bro?

Also where did I said anything about the CPP being excuse? Why do you go on assuming things just because I am critical of these self righteous hyprocrites. The truth is, if the Chinese government don't do more to raise the living standards of ordinary Tibetans in Tibet, then whatever their objectives there will failed. Besides, we pretty much know the real issue here is not really about Tibet. Tibet is just an excuse for a greater crusade against China.

Can't you guys just take a chill pill?
Everywhere you see a conspiracy against China! The protests against the China Torch relay were wrong. I do not think they achieved anything. Neither did Chinese students stacking the route in Canberra achieve anything. Everyone should just take a deep breath. Guess what guys... The Olympics is just sport. It never has achieved any improvement in human rights and should not be granted in order to achieve that. The rights of all to protest is inalienable. But in Canberra the only violence was that from Chinese "supporters" aimed to intimidate Tibetan supporters. And can anyone tell me why the torch should go around the world anyway??? What a public relations disaster that plan was! The relay should have taken part in China and the Chinese people should have a great time and party. But the Olympics is just sport... thats all. As for Tibet.. I have not heard any cogent arguments put forward to justify what is happening there, and has been happening there for some time. And before anyone thinks I am a Vajriyana (Tibetan) Buddhist... I am not. In fact I am Theravadan and don;t share many of the views put forward by Vajriyana Buddhists or Mahayana Buddhists either. sport is sport, religion is religion and bigotry and suppression of minorities is just that (I should know Australia oppressed it's indigenous peoples for many years, but we have seen the light and in many cases are increasing their autonomy to control their own future directions.
Just remember to take a deep breath!

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Original posted by woody at 7-5-2008 21:48
The Olympics is just sport.

You are absolutely right!
The Olympics is just sport.

But ... read the reports and relate it to the violent demonstrations in Paris, London, Los Angeles, etc. and tell us who have been trying to politicize Olympics?

The Olympic Torch Relay Campaign
http://www.german-foreign-policy ... 51i04prvd5rtmeuq6a0

The violence directed toward the Olympic torch is stupid and futile. I also agree that violence directed towards any sentient being is wrong and unskilful. However I draw your attention to Australia where the violence was perpetrated by Chinese supporters 'bused in' and directed towards Tibetan supporters. Is this right also? The whole protest thing is silly anyway... It will change nothing anywhere and neither will the granting of the Olympics to any nation improve human and civil rights in any country. Also please do not forget Tianamin Square.

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Original posted by woody at 8-5-2008 21:57
However I draw your attention to Australia where the violence was perpetrated by Chinese supporters 'bused in' and directed towards Tibetan supporters. Is this right also? The whole protest thing is silly anyway... It will change nothing anywhere and neither will the granting of the Olympics to any nation improve human and civil rights in any country.

I wouldn't blame the Chinese supporters. The reasons are rather simple.
In Paris, London and Los Angeles, torch bearers were attacked and the torch was snatched away put off. The incidents in these 3 cities show that the relevant authorities of these cities were unable to protect the Olympic torch. There were strong calls for the scraping of Olympic torch relay. Even President of World Olympic Council had the same thought.Chinese all over the world started to worry that the torch relay would be canceled. Urgent call started to appear in the internet for volunteers to protect the torch. Hence the strong Chinese turn out to support and to protect the torch and to drown the anti-China demonstration.  

At the same time Chinese all over the world were very angry with western media for distorting facts, fabricating stories to malign China and the Chinese people. Anti-China protests have been given wide coverage consistently by these media while they continue to ignore the voice and the feeling of Chinese all over the world. Hence, one thought was to have strong Chinese turn out to attract media attention and media coverage. And, I don't see anything wrong with that.

I would say the whole series of events were started by  Pro-Tibet groups started the 'fire' in the heart of the Chinese, while the western media continued to 'fan the fire'! Chinese all over the world became very angry while western media continue to shut the doors to them! And they need to have an outlet to express their feeling for the Olympics and their motherland, China. Is there anything wrong with expressing their love and feeling peacefully?

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Also please do not forget Tianamin Square.

Tiananmen incident is a very good lesson for all Chinese people. We never forget. However, pls don't use it to attack China. Most Chinese agree that it was not in China's interest to have drastic change to western-style democracy as intended by the student-led demonstrators.

[ Last edited by Jigong at 8-5-2008 23:14 ]

OK, not only are you completely missing the point, but many Chinese ARE angry.  China IS pissed off.  I shall neither defend nor condone the actions of 'western' media (although they are, frankly, indefensible, I believe them to be a knee-jerk reaction to an issue that was of no real consequence to anyone other than the Chinese), but I feel that your hatred against the British has clouded your thoughts- there is no British hatred of China nor is there any attempt to resurrect the British Empire, as you seem to suggest in many of your posts.  

You speak of 'Fabian fascists'  If you had ever been threatened by fascism you would know it is incompatible with the Fabian theory of warfare, otherwise known as 'warfare by attrition' or other such terms, as fascists much prefering decisive victories that they can focus national attention on and utilise as rallying calls when in dire straits.  Again, I feel the need to reiterate that there is not hatred of Britain towards China- we (as part of the EU) are one of China's biggest markets.  

If you had bothered to read ANY history, you would know that making money is what the British Empire was all about and foreign trade dominates much of our foreign policy (hence why we maintain good relations with the US, the richest country, at the present).  Britain is a very small and resource poor country, China is a developing country with great natural wealth and potential- it is in Britain's best interests to maintain the air of goodwill between these two nations to mutually benefit China AND Britain.  We do not, repeat, DO NOT, want to destroy China as a united China is easier to deal with in term of brokering international trade agreements.

Further infuriating (and evidence of your idiocy) is your final sentance.  I shan't quote it verbatim, but your use of it to show how bad the 'West' is is utterly ludicrous.  The ability to criticise ANY country on ANYTHING is one of the freedoms granted, not only to 'Western' press, but to the public.  And, by-the-by, EVERY country needs to respect this right (not just China) because no country can hold sway over another.  The Chinese government may well not like 'Western' criticisms of it, but there is nothing it can do about it since it has no juristiction over ctizens of another nation.

In addition, you failed to hyphenate (or capitalise) Anglo-saxon.  That in itself is worthy of a brow-beating!

To add something useful to this discussion, I don't believe that the 'West' (and if you've not quite guessed from my use of inverted commas, I utterly hate this term, coming, as I do, from Britain and not America) wants to sabotage the Olympics.  I will be watching dilligently for Britain to win... well.... anything.  Hell, even one bronze would be good!  

As for those who would disrupt the Olympics with their agendas: good for you!  You have an opinion.  Congratulations!  But please don't spoil the show- this is a celebration of athletic achievement and, while it has often been subject to political influence in the past, I'd like to think (call me naive, if you will) that we can put that all behind us.  I appreciate that certain people may not like the CCP (I don't), but that's no reason to sour the atmosphere.  I request that any protesting be done outside of the Arenas, at least.

[ Last edited by flamingmonkey at 8-5-2008 23:04 ]

Oh, it seems like your are the embassador from UK.
'Saying and Doing is a different thing, don't you know?'

Don't you read our statement?
We are against western media biased reports, Not western people.....of course, definately not British people.......
Unlike BBC always wrote 'anti-Chinese'..........not 'anti-Chinese government'........

As we said you welcome to China.  
I have plenty of British friends and colleague will go to see the game.

[ Last edited by LyndonLarouche at 9-5-2008 11:34 ]

Well once again Jigong you seem to be utterly unable to accept any idea that is not congruent with your own.
to quickly discuss some of your points:-
in  Australia there was no violence directed towards the torch relay and the Chinese students bused in totally over reacted. IN Australia we considered and supported the Dalai Lamas request for peace. The only violence was from Chinese student against people who hold a different view to their. That is very allowable in our country. Also there was no violence towards the torch here because the Australian government refused to let the Chinese secret service who ran alongside the torch in the other countries (the ones in the blue and white tracksuits) from performing any security at all. They were told that 2 may be available in case there was a problem with the flame being relight, but if they participated in any security matter they would be arrested and charged. The Australian supporters of Tibet appreciated that but I must criticize the Australian police for not preventing the Chinese students being violent.
Lastly many Australians (I cannot speak for all western democracies) could not understand why the torch had to go around the world. It is your party and it should only have gone from Greece to China. By the way... I hope the Olympics are a wonderful experience for all Chinese to enjoy. I know that when the Sydney Olympics were on Sydney was a wonderful place to live. We mixed freely with many people from other countries. NO restrictions and no limitations by Sydney people. It was a wonderful party atmosphere.
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