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Behind the anti-China Olympics campaign

This topic has been un-sticky by Davex at 1-8-2008 06:33.
"Hey listen they have there little spies over here too."

Why do Chinese have spies at a Chinese Web site located in China?  Can you present more sense than what your post tries to say?  Whom do you spy for?

A Chinese student in Paris gave a wonderful speech (in French) responding to Tibet riot, anti-China media distortion, Chinese history, etc. at a huge olympic supporting gathering. After that, he received several death threads.  Did any mainstream media report this?  Did any of those free speech, human rights activists and "free" media show any concern to his human rights while almost all media gave big coverage on Wang? Is it so-called "fair and balanced" media coverage?

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Thank you, Yehdi77 (#48), for speaking so clearly! Perhaps some of our Chinese friends might start consider the possobility that there are signs and facts indicating that their black-and-white world, with their distorted views of Tibet, western media and the west, doesn麓t match the reality.



By the way, the Chinese government often seems to be the friend of the dirty and ugly, of the regimes in Myanmar, Sudan and North Korea, of the former Khmer rouge, and now they deliver weapons to Simbabwe. That really doesn麓t help to be loved, recognized or believed, only to be despised. Sure enough, the west (or rather: some western powers) have commited crimes as well, and still do (Iraq). But not to the extent of cultural genozide and suppression as in Tibet. Most western nations are peace loving and are well-settled democratic countries. Are you too??



And again:
1.there is no such thing as "the west", or a "western conspiracy"!
2. We do appreciate (and often love) the Chinese culture, the Chinese industry with their success, the Chinese sports, the medical system...so much...but we disagree with suppression and brainwashing - especially when we can see by ourselfes the Tibetans, the buddhism, the Dalai Lama.
3. Where are the Chinese free media? Are they really free of censoring and government influence? Why have previous threads been deleted? (or was it a "western attack")? For those of you living in the west - did your media show what happened? Is there free access to Tibet-related websites in China?
4. As I was sometimes reading the discussions, even some of you Chinese guys were admitting that the democracy in China is still to come. Thanks for your honesty! It麓s brave! And it麓s good to see that self critics and nobleness can be found anywhere, and it gives hope. But with such an attitude in mind - do you think you can teach us about truth, freedom and justice?

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China abuses human rights

It's great to see here the support for human rights abuses by the Chinese. Oh well, I guess it's the case of never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Maybe if China would stop locking up and abusing people who dare speak out, in China I might add, for democracy for example, and stop abusing the human rights of Tibetans, the west would not complain. The west doesn't hate China, far from it. It's just the west can't stand the appalling human rights abuses in China.

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China abuses human rights

It's great to see here the support for human rights abuses by the Chinese. Oh well, I guess it's the case of never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Maybe if China would stop locking up and abusing people who dare speak out, in China I might add, for democracy for example, and stop abusing the human rights of Tibetans, the west would not complain. The west doesn't hate China, far from it. It's just the west can't stand the appalling human rights abuses in China.

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Ha!Ha! Yungl7386
you post your nonsense all over. Thanks for showing what sort of supporter of
"Ocean of Wisdom" you are.
Monster head have it's monster pupil.
GO SEE A PSYCHIATRIST.  

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To Harmony (#44)

Hi Harmony,

I'm a Chinese American.  I love China and Chinese people.  I love US and the rest of the world.  As a Chinese, I totally understand and agree with you from your stand point.  It's my pleasure to read your comments.

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I am a Overseas Chinese.Glad to see that there are more sane and same voices,
yungl7386 is banned. Well done moderator.

Constructive criticism is welcome,
Let  the Olympic be a start for a New world of Peace and harmony,
Be it China or other country. Do not let it be used for dirty politics.
Black cat or white cat is Okay so long it catches the rat.
Democracy or Communism is okay so long it uplifts the economy.
Later a better world should evolve. "MAN WILLING"
No system is perfect.

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AND DISGRACEFUL BEHAVIOUR OF INDIAN GOVT AGAINST CHINA-

janaury,2007

Indian anglophile class -especially indian english language media -is a race of Coolies and traitors.                     
the same class of indians who are doing propaganda agasinty china today are the same people who forced rajiv gandhi in 1987 to make friendship with china(and recognise tibet as part of china) why-? because the usa had ben friend with china since 1984 and wanted india tobe friend too as opposed to russia.-therefore the indian parasite class foll=made the Indian  foreign  policy viz china not to suit india but to suit american interests-it is doing the same but in revere direction this time  because their anglo-american masters want them to do so.the same indian elite class (for example the president of ranbaxy one MR. Singh,, chairman of FICCi at the time in 80s was vehemently opposing any defence increase or of of buying of defence equioments while asking for freidnship with china as desired by usa ain 80s). the same FICCi is making propaganda agasint DRDo and(with 6% of defence budget) and indian scintisits saying it has not kept the develpopmnet of innovations and kept the 50 yurs old mig 21 not in shape!.) These same indian traitors want india to buy 40 yrs old  arms (like junk  f16 and f-18) from america knowing fully well that it comes  with a heavy conditions unlike almost condition free and better arms(new mig-35) from russia.-but then thse elites are agents of angnlo american interests -so no surprise here-it is high time that thse elites are killed or kicked out of india-these are  allwais(iraqi traitor) of india.• Russia is already supplying India with the Sukhoi-30MKI, an advanced "fourth generation" warplane that consistently defeats its Western counterparts, such as the frontline US fighters, the F-15C and F-16. Versions of the Su-30 are also being sold to China, Venezuela, and Malaysia.



June 1998.

        Congratulations to pakistan also  for having exploded atomic bomb like India rightly did!

                                                                   History is
full of nations much poorer, improving themselves first by making themselves militarily victorious
,by fair or foul means,over much richer and superior civilizations. That is exactly how
a race of pirate turned shopkeepers that is England and America made themselves rich.That is also why these pirate race of anglo-americans want to keep the ill gotten advantage by denying othersany means to get power or independence.That is the philosophy of nato.Who bothered about America before it stole Nuclear Technology from Germans? The other prominent makers of first atomic bomb were Italians and Hungarians,and thir country does not posses nuclear weaopn.From Americans who stole the technology did the british steal it.America also stole from the Germans Rocket and missiles technology.Now they want to make world astand still as it was in late '91s through self drafted this pact and that pact.Now they want others not to have the same technology. In the same way the british stole Tea production technology , china making tech and what not from China.How much the british tea companies and british china making ones like royal daulton paying royalty to China?none!But they want others to pay for rubbish tech of '60s retrospectivelly!! In fact even France is fed up with this cancerous anglo-american push to sell,indtead of much better Fernch food,rather rubbish tasteless food of anglo-saxons processed food industy which pushes for rotten and infected food like british beef. India should have sided with France and China to push for common interests.But India chose,under pressure from Anglophile english paper reading minority,to succumb to Low quality rubbish anglo-american products. And Pakistan
understands this duplicity and is not afraid to disturb that cosy arrangement of these anglo-american shopkeepers.
       As for Bhutto saying that they will rather eat grass than not have bomb,
they have full filled that ambition when their prime minister asked pakistanis to
be prepared to even save in eating.Contrast that with response of Indian english knowing
class and their agents as represented by Indian english papers whose only worry
was that so called liberalization does not get stuck off.In fact Indian
atomic arsenal is necessary so that a country like america(whose infra-structure
know how and technology is much inferior to that of Germany,France and Italy) does not force
India(as it has been doing for some time) to accept third grade tech, and rubbish so called consumer goods .And here there are these english papers in India who were urging andia to give quick and special rebates
to americans .Those very americans who have always and will always act against India
and Indian interests.In fact America and britain(who really governs american foreing ,defence and economic policy)will always support pakisatan not be4cause they love pakis,on the contraire,but because for them pakisatan is an ideal means to poke and put a thorn on the body of India. These english papers and all cheap things that
they represent talk of India doing all those things that is already known to be agenda of american and british for India.It is no surprise.
         The english media and so called westernized Indians are the voluntary (and sometimes paid) agents of foreign interests.They do not represent western interest either : they represent anglo-american interests which is an interest
of exploitation and by the sopkeepers race(anglo-americans) with not a single
drop of culture or taste. And one of these english papers was saying,when camparing India with pakistan than India has a  large number of english speaking population(as if that was a positive thing even if it were true!) forgetting to add that
despite that those countries who consider themselves english speaking(and they do not include in that anyone but their own shopkeepers race of anglo-saxons)never at anytime have given value to Indians while always giving all help to (less english speaking!) Pakistan. Only thing
is India lose out on translators who would have been recruited from amonst Hindi speaking peoples!.(most of indians).
             In fact these english speaking countries consider these english speakingIndians as coolies-which in fact they are.And pakistanies have refused themselves to be relegated to the status of coolies.Because they have self respect which these english media peoples(in India) have not got.Ten years ago the president of Ficci,an industry organisation and darling of Indian english media had demanded of Govt. of Indiato reduce armed forces(at height of kashmir and Punjab insurrection) and give free reign to foreign firms.And that sort of demand became a reality when Manmohan singh became
finance minister and narsingh Rao succemed to american pressure to not
only not test atom bomb but also pack up Agni missiles programmes. All the things that a
foreign enemy country would have demanded and america di demand. It is no surprise .Because
Manmohan singh, narsingh rao and all english media (who supported that illegal minority govt.with out mandate to bring fundamental change in India's self reliability)-asll these creaures were and will
continue to be agents of foreign interests-paid or otherwise(resulting from their cooliness or in other words from their deep sense of inferiority complex).Thes creatures must be ferreted out from
political,economic and social power that they have misappropiated.In fact it would be better if these creatures
are sent to Pakistan who knows how to treat such sort of traitors. A govt. first duty is to protect her citizens from external and internal danger. These elites oppose that. At the same time naturally
these parasitic elites also oppose the main obligation of a citizen to the govt.-that is to give taxes.In fact only by the right of taking taxes is the govt.recognignized.If India has 200 millions of middle class,as these english indian media always talk about,then where is the corresponding income tax revenue to the Govt. of India?But these english reading population is the biggest tax evader any where in the world.
But What the Prime minister Mr. Bajpaye does? He ,in stead of attacking previous congress govt. and Janta Dal govt.(whose Gujral and Mulayam singh are disgrace to India having created nearly a revolt
in Indian Army)-He becomes apologtic and agrees to put self memoratorium. Instead of testing much bigger Hydrogen momb of such magnitude that 2 or 3 of them  would be sufficient to destroy whole of pakistan,He
simply backs down on western pressure and pressure from western agents like english media in india and pressure from those peoples whose vote bank is peoples of dubious loyalty. Ofcourse that big hydrogen bomb would
be neede ,noyt to be used but to provide deterrence_that is the purpose of atomic weopon.But this Prime minister is
so much eager to please foriegn anglo-american countries(true enemiy of India) that he adrres Parliament not in his language but in english.That is why in recent rally of child labourers (children of 4 to 14 yers)-who could not even get primary education-
was addressed by the leaders in India in english.That is how much India has become a nation
of coolies and hangers on rather than develop any leader ship quality with confidence. And that is why george Fernances-not a friend of america-started making China a villain in the hope of appeasing America-number one enemy of India. Wht Gerge should have said,and what he has realized too late,
is that if others can keep nuclear missiles then so can India.And matter ends there.BUt no. he had
to appease real enemy of India-which are America and England-by annoying an asian super power.
     Now what is the solution after this mess up.? First India has to devewlop long range nuclear missiles
and nuclear submarine ,able to attack America,

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Original posted by rainer at 23-4-2008 18:46
Thank you, Yehdi77 (#48), for speaking so clearly! Perhaps some of our Chinese friends might start consider the possobility that there are signs and facts indicating that their black-and-white world,  ...
LMAO. Of course there is no culture genocide in the west in your eyes. That's because your father, his father and his father's father before him have killed off so many native Americans, Aborigines, Maori etc that you hardly come into contact with them anymore. So thanks for the laugh brother. If you ever happen to come across a native in a western country in your life time, why don't you ask them if there has been cultural genocide or not.

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Original posted by thewestisright at 24-4-2008 08:32
It's great to see here the support for human rights abuses by the Chinese. Oh well, I guess it's the case of never let the facts get in the way of a good story. Maybe if China would stop locking up an ...
So tells us what you know about human right abuses in China.

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