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Riots in Lhasa - By a Finnish professor

This topic has been un-highlight by TRuth-home at 12-7-2008 01:00.
Yes, Thank you very much to rise this article to talk for Chinese people. Your information is very useful and make me know much more about our history! To be frank, i know less than you about Tibet! And i totally believe what you wrote.

I have business partner in Finland who are very friendly to Chinese and have a good trust to Chinese Products! Finish people are really good friends of Chinese People!

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davehor This letter was sent by Eirik Granqvist personally, so if it is a mistake as you said, please ask himself to send the letter to anti-cnn@anti-cnn.com, we will do as he requires. If we proof you have make up the story, we will delete your post.

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To davehor, so far the Eirik Granqvist has not sent reclaim that he wish to delete his article in this forum. So we will keep this article here.And here has some of pictures he sent to us, which we do not put them on this website, but you still can see them on http://tigerloong.wordpress.com/ ... by-eirik-granqvist/

You can compare does  Eirik Granqvist are the same as you so called 'your friend' Granqvist, Eirik Karl 脰sten. And please check the requlation of being fake report in this forum.

[ Last edited by kukkaukkonen at 18-4-2008 19:33 ]

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Riots in Lhasa

There are many incorrect data in this paper (see comments below).

What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the 'free press'."----This is real problem: pro-Chinese data are seldom published here and Pro-Tibetan data are strictly prohibited in China.

Tibet was for centuries an autonomous concordat between Nepal and China.---This is not correct. For a centuries it was a free country, then dependent on Mongolian and Manchu, not Chinese empire.

Sometimes China ruled Nepal as well.---Therefore, Nepal should be also a part of China?!
With the fifth Dalai Lama, the religious and the political power were unified under the rule of one person, The Dalai Lama. Tibet became a theocratic dictatorship ---No more dictatorship than Vatican and much less dictatorship than any Communist country.

French woman, Alexandra David-N??el was more successful.---She was a theosophist, scientists do not believe her.

Tibet was not a paradise. Tibet was an inhuman dictatorship!---Again: no more than P.R.China.
The weakened Chinese Qing Dynasty had more and more lost its influence in Tibet.---Qing was Manchu but not Chinese dynasty. China was a part of Manchu empire.

The Chinese evacuated Dalai Lama to the Qinghai plateau where he hade limited rights of move, probably for preventing him from having contacts with the British occupants.---Incorrect. Dalai Lama fled to Mongol land of Kukunor (at that time not a Chinese province!), then migrated to Outer Mongolia (now free country).

The Finnish national hero, Marshal Mannerheim, visited him there in 1907----If we follow your system, Mannerheim was a 'splittist' and Finland must be a part of Russia.

The Chinese decided anyhow to finish with the cruel theocratic dictatorship under which the opponents fell down from Potala.---Really, they wanted to introduce forceably Maoist dictatrship in occupied Tibet.

About 40% of the Tibetans were monks and nuns living as parasites on the rest of the population that had to feed them.---And how many communist officials live 'as parasites'? Every Tibetan family wanted to have an own monk! So Tibetans wanted to have so many monks.

Now China decided that the Tibetans should have the same rights and place in the society as the rest of the country's population. The monasteries should be emptied from their excessively large monk and nun populations.---However, the Tibetans do not want that! They want conduct their traditional life. Communists never asked Tibetans whether they want to live in China or in separate country, or whether they want to become the Han-Chinese.

Tibet could earlier be reached only by some horse trails and was for the rest insulated.---Again: did you ask Tibetans what they want in traffic problems?

In 1959, the young Dalai Lama caused a peoples upraising, using the religion as power since he was loosing his own powerful position.---Really, it was people's uprising against Communist dictatorship.

The possibilities for Dalai Lama to take back his power has diminished and he does not anymore have the population with him.---Nevertheless large majority of the Tibetans like Dalai Lama.

The Lhasa riots where very well prepared. Curriers where crossing the borders illegally for to see Dalai Lama and get his orders. A group of foreign mountain climbers filmed recently across the border an unlucky incident when one of these curriers got shot and another that crossed the border openly declared that he wanted to go to see the Dalai Lama.---All these are not true. No evidence that the riots were prepared (only slogans instead of evidence). Regarding this incident: refugees (not curriers!) tried to leave Tibet to India and were attacked by Chinese soldiers.

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To Nick

You said ''What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the 'free press'.''

If you mean, I baned davehor's post. I would say I will not do appologize.  davehor sent a post to say that 'his friend' Granqvist, Eirik sent a email to him, saying the thread we put in this internet is 'misused'. davehor want us delete the article away. At the end we found out it is just a lie. According to the rule of the forum I have to ban him.

We hate lies, we have facing so many lies these days from the Western media, we do not need more in this forum.

I will not give any comments on your post about Tibet, you have repeated some stereotype again here. I just hope you can put down your imagination, and have a look around the articles in the fourm, not just from Chinese people but also foreigners.

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*** The author has been banned or deleted ***

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Quote:
Original posted by davehor1 at 28-4-2008 23:02
I would like to make a few points before I post the e-mail.

Firstly, I don't appreciate being called a liar

Secondly, I don't appreciate having my account locked so that I cannot respond to your ...
davehor1 comes back again, this time his not a friend of Granqvist, Eirik, but 'a German Student speaks out about Western Bias' here is the post he posted in the forum, please judge for yourself http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/thread-1394-1-1.html

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If you check davehor1's online record(just pointing on his name), you can see 29-4-2008 he was still online, but he did not respond why he fake as Granqvist, Eirik's friend. Today (30-4-2008) I once again baned this liar.

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to kukkaukkonen

I can't understand something from your reply to me.

Quote: You said ''What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the 'free press'.'' ---- This was said by Mr. Granqvist, not by me. Check my post carefully: I quote his statements at first, and put my comments after dashes.

Quote: If you mean, I baned davehor's post. -----I did not mean that. No idea.

Quote: I will not give any comments on your post about Tibet, you have repeated some stereotype again here. I just hope you can put down your imagination, and have a look around the articles in the fourm, not just from Chinese people but also foreigners.-----I read carefully different materials in the Internet to compare different views. I hope you do the same. I quoted facts, not stereotypes. Nobody demonstrated them to be wrong, so they are correct.

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To Nick, sorry if I misunderstood you. But from your post I could not see you were quoting Mr. Granqvist, please put the proof if he said so, then people can have a dicussion. Thanks!

Agree with you, welcome debate not stereotypes.

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