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Sadism and Serfdom: the Story of Old Tibet

This topic has been highlight by TRuth-home at 15-7-2008 13:52.
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Original posted by saki at 18-4-2008 05:09
For once I agree with your position of "Free press is not free". It is true that media in west is now slave of corporations that sponsors them. However, your position still remains that we can screw t ...
I read it somewhere on the internet, English version, with photos and narratives.  I'll try to find it for you...seems like you are very interested in this?

How do I know about prostitute's personal stories?  Doing business in China will let you have many oppurtunities to get in touch with one, KTV, Clubs...etc you know.  I simply talk with them, knowing their language helps in knowing what's going on.  Some are indeed want to make some money for her folks, but most just want that LV bag.


Sorry, but I gtg, discuss w/ u tomorrow.

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Original posted by saki at 18-4-2008 05:13
Again you are focusing on rubbishing some one without proof - like your leader. These are all insinuations - almost like the gossippy old ladies.

"slavemaster" lol. Anyway my original question. Hu  ...
You mean you want to see spy photos and telephone recordings of Dalai placing the order?  

Well, I don't think anyone has that.  So just because you can't proof it, it can't be rationalized?  But when western media don't have actual footage of the riot in Tibet, they "proof" it with fabricated stories and pictures, and you don't see any wrong-doings in that?

Maybe with your in-depth studies of Dalai and his regime, you can describe to me how he ruled before CCP ruling?

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I did a quick search, can't find that news as I read it several months ago, probably gone already.  But I believe what I read was about "Devdasi system" or something similar.

You can look it up yourself.  Use the keyword or "Child prostitution in India"

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I think I just realized that one of the fundamental difference between the Pro-China and Pro-Tibet groups is the source and channel of information received.

Why so many over-sea Chinese are fed up and protesting western media?  It's because they have both sources of information from the view of the western media and China media WITH language proficiency!

While the western media lacks the full comprehension of things happening in China due to language barriers, the over-sea Chinese have the oppurtunity to examine information from both China and western media.  Bias obviously existed in both sides, but why almost all over-sea Chinese unanimously sided with China?  Were there some Commie magical powder sprinkled on Chinese media that miraculously brainwashed these over-sea Chinese in the blink of an eye despite most of them are westernized?

I read both Chinese new (in Chinese) and news from major agencies, while I LOL on some of the retarded articles from the China side, but I get really upset with some of the articles from the western end --  the context, the commentaries, the vague justifications are downright arrogant with century-old prejudice and biggotry toward Chinese and China has a whole.

Never did I felt such strong presence of mind altering till I start reading these western news lately...the very same ones I grew up reading on.

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Original posted by saki at 18-4-2008 04:49
So are you saying - in 1989 most people did not want democracy? Decide what you are saying dont give round about answers. Are you saying most did not want it then? Now you have internet so why don't p ...
Thank you for coming here and have these wonderful disscussions with our members and also you ask me for  different opinion, and i  do think that i have some. Becasue i was grow up in Lasa the captial city of Tibet and there with my childhood and teenage time and now i come back to lasa evey summer vacation to spent summer time with my parents and my friends. Most of my friends are tibetan cause i grow up with them...that was a wonderful time in my life.i think i do have the information to tell you about what happened these years.what i have seen is the road expanded more building appears the qingzhang rail-way was built, life is getting better and better. Children went to school,youngs got work and  the elders enjoy their lives.and smiles everywhere these would never happen in old Tibet time  maybe this http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/thread-513-1-1.html
would help you have a better understanding about the old Tibet.i am not interseted in politics so i don't think i have any better ideas than your but i do believe all governments are imperfect but all countries filled up with wonderful people.so we can be friends what we want is just a peaceful world and a normal life.

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Original posted by saki at 18-4-2008 02:36
Taiwan was historically called Formosa  
Not true. Taiwan was called Formosa during a short period when it was occupied by the Dutch. Before that, it was given a few different names during different dynasties of China. It was included in the map as part of China since Han Dynasty.

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Original posted by saki at 18-4-2008 05:03
So hear me out. Theday more than 50% hawaii population asks for independence, they will have earned the right to be independent. If US does not give independence - it will be wrong. Same with Corsica. ...
It is not true. Many countries have their own law prohibiting separation or splitting of the nation. Don't pretend that USA will happily let Hawaii or whichever inch of USA go independence. Abraham Lincoln wouldn't have fought the Southern States it it is like what you said!

If we look at history, there are very few cases where new nations are formed by splitting from the another nation without war or pressure from the superpower.The fall of the former USSR is one of the very rare cases. The Russians can't forgive Mikhail Gorbachev for being tricked by the Americans!

China was forced to give up Mongolia by the then superpowers, USA and USSR! China and the Chinese people understand that this is history and there is no point talking about it. Hence you don't see anyone mentioning that.

Howeve, Tibet is part of China. Tibet issues are China's internal affair. It is not for foreign countries to interfere. Sovereignty is NON-NEGOTIABLE!

Hu Jintao is not Mikhail Gorbachev.

China in 2008 is not China of 1940's.

1.3 billions Chinese are solidly behind  the effort to defend the nation.

Tibet is part of China and will remain so unless there is another world war, and that China loses the war!

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I totally agree with what neomugen posted earlier.   Many, if not all, over seas Chinese getting  so fed up with the western media's shameless tactics in attacking China like a mad dog.

But in the particular case of demanding this CNN anchor for an apology for terming Chinese as "goons and thugs", I think we need to look things from another angel.   Let me give a personal example.  Once I went in to this CVS, a convenience store, in West Virginia, a drunken American approached me with his bottle in his hand, and shouted:"  Why don't you just go back to your country!  Coming here to steal our jobs and money!"   My American co-worker was with me at the time and he wanted to do something about it.  I stopped him and did not say a word back to the drunkard, and just left the store.  

Now, I was not being coward or being scared, maybe I should given I am pretty petite.  I told my co-worker that I did not feel hurt by his comments in any way whatsoever.  Why?  Because I knew I was so much better as a person, not just on the intelligence level.  My self respect and confidence were not shaken a single bit by what this drunkard said.  And I could not care less of what he thought of me.   

So come back to the subject of CNN and its anchors and any other anchors who speak despicablly about China and its people.  Let 's not give them too much importance in demanding their apologies.  Their apologies, if any, are worthless, like these superficial and hypercritical newsmen themselves.  If they did not handle themselves in a professional and respectable way, then that is their freedom to do so.  Why shall we tell them to get more intelligent, or more classy, or just simply be a better human being?  

If a dog barks at you, do you bark back?  Or do you ignore and walk away?

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China's continuing crackdown on Tibetan pro-independence protesters is a big, big issue here in San Francisco. Why, just the other day, I was coming out my front door, and there was one of my neighbors – a very nice woman in her fifties, albeit an archetypal limousine liberal, typical of the breed. So typical that she might almost be mistaken for a living, breathing, walking, talking cliché. She hates George W. Bush and the neocons because she's against the (Iraq) war, but she's eager to "liberate" Darfur – and, lately, Tibet. That morning, as she earnestly informed me, she was on her way to a meeting of the Board of Supervisors (our town council) to exhort them to vote for a resolution condemning the Chinese government's actions and calling for "freedom" for Tibet. What she doesn't realize, and doesn't want to know, is that she and the neocons – the very ones who brought us the Iraq war – are united on the Tibet issue. I tried, in vain, to point this out to her, but she just shook her head, cut the conversation short, and was on her way…

As it turned out, the supervisors voted for a meaningless, toothless resolution, stripped of provocative rhetoric, much to the dismay of the far-lefties who argued for a stronger statement. The initiative for this effort was made by supervisor Chris Daly, an obnoxious left-liberal with delusions of grandeur, whose pose of self-righteousness is both grating and characteristic of his sort.

Prior to the vote on the Daly resolution, which was vociferously supported by the supposedly pacifistic supporters of the Dalai Lama, the Chinese consulate was… firebombed. This is what the War Party would like to do to China.

Fortunately, there are a number of restraining factors that get in the way: in the meantime, however, our preening politicians demagogue the China issue, and none so brazenly as Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi, my congressional representative, who is merely Chris Daly writ large. Traveling all the way to India, at taxpayers' expense, Madam Speaker visited with the Dalai Lama at Dharamsala and announced that if Americans don't speak out against Beijing's repression in Tibet "we have lost all moral authority to speak on behalf of human rights anywhere in the world."

Pelosi is a longtime opponent of Beijing – not just the Chinese government, but China itself. Pelosi and the unions she depends on for political support despise all things Chinese for the simple reason that China, today, is more capitalist than the U.S. – in spite of the Chinese Communist Party's ostensible commitment to Marxist ideology. Thinly veiled racist-chauvinist bilge is routinely directed at the Chinese people by union bosses and right-wing paleo-protectionists, who stupidly claim that the "chinks" (or, as John McCain would put it, the "gooks") are stealing "American jobs" – as if Americans have a hereditary right to the very best salaries on earth, a "right" that doesn't have to be earned by competitive business practices but is conferred on them by virtue of their nationality. Like hell it is.

Lucrative trade and cultural exchanges between China and California, as well as the fact that many Chinese in her congressional district have continuing ties to the mainland, have – so far – failed to deter Pelosi and her fellow Know-Nothings: politics, as they used to say during the Cultural Revolution in China, is in command.

These Sinophobic protests, engineered behind the scenes by leftist union bosses and God knows who else, are focused on the passing of the Olympic torch, which is slowly but surely making its way to Beijing, where the games are scheduled to be held Aug. 8-24. Here in the Bay Area, activists in the "Free Darfur" movement announced they were mounting demonstrations urging China to "extinguish the flames of genocide" in Darfur in San Francisco on April 9, the day the flame passes through the city.

The hosting of the Olympic Games in Beijing is the focus of much pride in China, seen by the people as well as the ruling caste as symbolic of the nation's arrival in modernity. As such, the worldwide protests and political posturing of preening politicians – from Pelosi to Nicolas Sarkozy – are bitterly resented and have been met with increasingly shrill denunciations by the Chinese state-controlled media – a sentiment that probably understates popular resentment of Western criticism in the Chinese "street."

I know we are supposed to believe that the vast majority of the Chinese people are groaning under the weight of Commie oppression and sympathize (albeit silently) with the downtrodden Tibetans, but that is hardly the case. Indeed, the exact opposite is closer to the truth. Every time the West gets up on its high horse and lectures the Chinese government about its lack of "morality," the tide of anti-Western Chinese nationalism rises higher.

We saw this when the U.S. "accidentally" bombed the Chinese embassy in Belgrade during Clinton's Balkan War of Aggression, and again when that American spy plane went down over Hainan island. In Beijing today, they are worried about the upcoming Olympic celebration, which will provide a platform for a wide variety of groups – including ultra-nationalist Chinese students, whose street antics have augured internal regime change in the past, and could do so again. "They are worried about a larger number of things and they are worried about keeping the lid on," according to Arnold Howitt, a management specialist who oversees crisis-management training programs for Chinese government officials at Harvard University's Kennedy School of Government. The same Associated Press article cites an unnamed "consultant" to the Games, who avers:

"'Demonstrations of all kinds are a concern, including anti-American demonstrations,' said the consultant, who works for Beijing's Olympic organizers and asked not to be identified because he was not authorized to talk to the media."

Any indications that Beijing is compromising Chinese pride and honor by appeasing the West are likely to be met by demonstrations that are both anti-American and anti-government – initiated, once again, by Chinese students, who have often been the agents of political transformation. Remember the Red Guards? Mao used them to initiate his own "Cultural Revolution," but was forced to rein them in when they started talking about overthrowing the Chinese state.

The memory of that dark and chaotic era haunts China's contemporary rulers, threatening to spoil their dream of a thoroughly modernized industrial powerhouse that is both the forge and the financial capital of the world economy. The Beijing Olympics represent the entry of China onto the world stage as a first-class power, right up there with its former adversaries: the U.S., Europe, and the former Soviet Union. A Chinese nationalist cannot be faulted for seeing the organized campaign to spoil that debut as a deliberate – and unforgivable – insult.

Viewed from this perspective – the perspective, that is, of the average citizen of China – the very idea of Tibetan independence might easily be seen as a rather obvious attempt to humiliate Beijing and remind it of its "proper" (i.e., subordinate) place in the global scheme of things.

After all, what if Chinese government leaders constantly reminded the world that the American Southwest was stolen from Mexico? Imagine the Chinese and Mexican ambassadors to the U.S. demanding independence, for, say, California – or better yet, its return to Mexican sovereignty! Shall the Olympics be forever barred from Puerto Rico, which was forcibly incorporated into the U.S. "commonwealth" in the invasion of 1898?
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