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Sadism and Serfdom: the Story of Old Tibet

This topic has been highlight by TRuth-home at 15-7-2008 13:52.

Why does Dalai Lama exile ?

http://www.chineseye.com/answer/show_252.html He's warmly accepted by Chairman Mao, what cause him to betrey our country?

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Everyone Can Put Video on Chineseye.com to Show the Truth!

Everyone Can Put Video on Forum of Chineseye to Show the Truth!
Let the world know the truth China, truth Beijing, truth Tibet, and the Truth!!

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I would like to say that while the western media appears hostile towards China, the people, at least in Texas where I live, have no hostillity towards China and I frequently conversations about how rediculous some of the things the media tells us are.

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Reply 6# liligupta's post

Haha...
I believe if you study western history, you don't find an independent country called Tibet, nor do you find an independent country called Taiwan, because they were all part of China, old China or new China.  

Well, then you need to study history harder lil girl. Have you heard of Formosa? Another thing, all cultures, empires, like to claim the land based on history. The problem is that history is not static, just because for a period of 300 yrs Tibet was soverign of China does not make it chinese. Japan ruled parts of China for some time. Would you accept a Japanese claim from that time period? A nation has to have historic, culural and political unity to claim itself a single country. Tibet is not culturally similar and politically it wants independence. Historically it was on and off from China.

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To saki,

Thank you for replying to my post.

well if history does not count for anything, then why do you still suggest me to study harder?  Let's completely forget about history then!

Since when a different culture, different language stops people from getting united into one country?   There are 56 ethnic groups in China, God knows how many local dialects that all sounds foreign to me.  Now in your theory, forget about China's 5000 years of history, which by the way, is one of the oldest relics cherished by mankind, there should be no China.  They should be all independent countries then, per your reasoning!

If history of a country counts for nothing, then I really have no arguing with you on this subject.  Maybe all the historians should go look for another profession, because based on your theory, history is worthless, they are wasting their time.

I believe history tells a lot about human societies/ cultures' evolution.  In top or any universities or colleges, there are history majors, anthropology majors, even politics are basically all about historical events and future strategies, economics, etc.. you name it.  

It is simply not ture for you to put up a statement saying "Tibet is on and off from China".  Please state the facts to support your statement.  Well here I go again, digging into history, there is on this very website a list of milestones chronicalling Tibet's history and its relationship to the Chinese central governments.  Yes, history shows Tibet has always been part of China.  History speaks for itself.        

Thank you again for reading my post.

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To maxrizk,

Yes, I agree with you.  I live here in the US, have met quite a few great American co-workers, who are just down-to-earth, real people.  We all worry and feel happy pretty much about the same things in life.   With all these lies and hate spread by the western media and politicians, it is really human and natural for us Chinese to feel hurt and angry, if not generalizing by saying these "Americans" or that "French".   They all say it is easy to hate a country, it is not so easy to hate a person, well, once you know him/her.   When I think of how evil the whole western world has been to China, I also think of the good Americans I met.  And it just makes me wonder:  Why such a contrast?  People can be real people with all the decencies and good old values, but the ones with power and in charge can live without?

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To Lili

I am not saying history does not count for anything. I am saying, history changes and taking a part of history out of context is foolish. I also said something about formosa that you ignored. we all know the reason.

However, most foolish thing to do would be to use this site as a reference to Tibetian history - almost just as foolish would be to think Xinhua is an unbiased view of tibet.

Please see wiki on tibet and you will know what was its history.

A country can have many cultures of course. However, if an ethnic community wants independence - historically - and repeatedly, it should be seriously considered.

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To saki,

My ignorance. I actually don't know about forsum.  You should not make assumptions.  That is where misunderstandings happen.

Yes, if a culture or society wants its independence, it deserves respect and justice.   I agree with you on that.  Anyone with justice would agree on it.

In Tibet's case, who wants independence?  The people of Tibet?  Well, that is what Dalai Lama's slogan says isn't it?  It is Dalai Lama and his group.  And who exactly are the group members?    They are the wolves under the sheep skin if you ask me.  I think from reading all the histories and facts posted here, we all know that by now who they are.   So I am not going to repeat here.  And who first started all these independence talk?  That is also well documented in history.  The British colonizer.  

So, if an old western colonizer back in 17th century wanted to control China through its borders, put in conspiracies to have couple of so called spiritual leaders claim independent and support these conspiracies by what else other than promising money and wealth(to whom?  The people of Tibet?  No, that would be too naive to think that isn't it?  Look what happened to India.), do China have to live with that and agree to it?   Or shall China stand up to protect its people and their rights?

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Plus who says wiki is an authority in history or anything for that matter?  it is all posted by individuals, and it is part of western media.  well, I do not trust what western media say about my country.

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Lili,

Again, you accept you do not know what you talked about. Taiwan was historically called Formosa and there is tons of history about its independent history.

Know you calling Dalai Lama Wolve is same as CNN calling leaders of China goons. So you are upset about the same thing that you just practiced in your post - calling someone name.

Here is the tragedy that all (but you) can see from these posts. These posts are a manifestations of years of Chinese media repression of their OWN people. You blame western media (and I agree they are to be blamed for lot of reasons) but you do not understand the brainwashing your government (peoples - government - hahaha when was the last time you voted) does thru Xinhua. Not knowing formosa is alsmost like an American not knowing Hawaii.

Do you know how many chinese have Government of China pushed in Tibet after 1951. How come Tibetians are minorities in Tibet?

It is reasonable not to believe what western media says about country- i do not believe them many times. However, what is your alternative? Your country does not have internet freedom, media freedom and school books are written by communists who dont want you to vote. Can you explain that. Who cares about western media - your own people cannot tell you the truth if they wanted to. Can you type Tiannanmen square in Baidu? Think about it.

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