The German foundation Bertelsmann Stiftung is the owner of Bertelsmann AG, one of the largest media conglomerats of the world and runs media channels like N-TV, RTL, large part of Spiegel and a lot other which participated in the bloody anti-Chinese campaign recently. You see many of them on the front page of www.anti-cnn.com.

The Bertelsmann foundation is known in Germany as a very powerful agenncy which does lobbyism against the people on behalf of rich business owners, pays a lot of so called "experts" and money to whomever it takes, pulls the strings behind German politics and presses it through legislation processes with it's plenty of money and it's powerful propaganda machine. See here for some information in German:

http://www.mein-parteibuch.com/wiki/Bertelsmann-Stiftung

Follow the links to find out more about this plague of Germany. The man, who owns Bertelsmann-Stiftung is the billionaire Reinhard Mohn:

http://www.mein-parteibuch.com/wiki/Reinhard_Mohn

I already pointed out, that Reinhard Mohn is said to have been a "close friend" of former CIA-director Bill Casey:

http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/thread-807-2-4.html

As far, as I see it, the media gigant Bertelsmann company is probably nothing else than a cover for CIA PSYOPs. Now the think tank of the company, Bertelsmann Stiftung, seeks entry into China.

In an article in German mainstream newspaper "Frankfurter Allgemeine Zeitung" it is written, that "Bertelsmann Stiftung" wants to go to China. CEO Gunter Thielen told, that the foundation wants to build up a brindge head in Peking in about one and a half yers:

http://www.faz.net/s/RubD16E1F55 ... EAfor%7EEprint.html

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Was will die Bertelsmann Stiftung, die sich zu den Werten „Wettbewerb, Freiheit, Solidarität und Menschlichkeit“ bekennt, in einer Diktatur, die einen Teil der Bevölkerung brutal unterdrückt? Thielen, der im vergangenen Jahr in Tibet war, will die aktuellen Friktionen im Umfeld der Olympischen Spiele nicht überbewerten. Als Ausländer müsse man respektieren, dass die Chinesen, was den Dalai Lama angehe, sehr empfindlich seien. Sie seien aber auch pragmatisch. „Die Chinesen machen ihre Geschäfte weiter, solange es ihnen nutzt“, zeigt er sich zuversichtlich. Was hat die Bertelsmann Stiftung den Chinesen anzubieten? Gemeinsames Interesse sei der demographische Wandel, hier hat die Stiftung viele Studien betrieben und Erfahrung gesammelt. „Die Chinesen altern schneller als wir, wenn wir hier unser Knowhow einbringen, ist die chinesische Regierung sehr einverstanden.“

The paper asks, what the Bertelsmann Foundation, which they name based on "competition, freedom, solidarity and humanity" will do in a dictatorship like China. Gunter Thielen states, that the Chinese government does agree very much, that the Bertelsmann foundation will give knowhow on demographic change.

What do you think about it?

For me it looks like that a trojan horse does look for entry into China. It think, it would be good, if Chinese are aware of the true nature of this "humanity advisor" company.

Sincerely
Ein Katzenfreund

Thank you Ein, I think the information is very valuable. I do hope the authority know it. I just hate I have no access to them.

What I can't understand is where the money for this kind of foundations come from? If it is private money, how can they get any profit from these nasty things? Don't they have better way to spend their money? These guys really don't seem to be those Germans who were fooled by false information and want to do something for the so-called suffering Tibetan people with their compassions.  They rather almost look like as if working for USA who want to push the hostility between Germany and China, really incredible.

I simply can't imagine how  Germany,  or even an specific political group in Germany  in way can benefit from it. It would be more understandable if they support Iraq war, because they could at least cut a melon somehow  from the oil.

[ Last edited by SilkRoad at 3-5-2008 19:23 ]

Hello,

what I made public here was just the very top management level of a large company running a very complex business. See an impressing list of assets here:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_assets_owned_by_Bertelsmann

Bertelsmann is an international "cultural goods" company - I would better name it a "brainwash company" - with a revenue of 18.000.000.000 Euro. So it's about a quarter of the size of Volkswagen. In Germany there work several research groups on it, which have collected lot's of information. If you are able to read German, here are some websites exposing their business:

Anti-B.de http://www.anti-b.de/

Anti-Bertelsmann http://www.anti-bertelsmann.de/

Bertelsmann-kritische Informationen und Materialien - Bildungswiki http://wiki.bildung-schadet-nich ... nen_und_Materialien

Since the business is a complex topic just let me answer your questions one by one as much as I understand them.

>What I can't understand is where the money for this kind of foundations come from?
The money comes from Bertelsmann media. The foundation own Bertelsmann media. Bertelsmann is a large "cultural goods" enterprise. Besides running their propaganda on TV and radio stations, they own worldwide newspapers, journals, music labels, a book publisher and book clubs with book stores. So they have got just everything what's needed to deliver propaganda in all existing ways. As far as I can see it, the Bertelsmann foundation is something like the strategic head of propaganda in this enterprise and acts like a door opener for the rest of the companies business. See here, Liz Mohn - the American wife of Reinhard Mohn - met with Chinese cultural minister Sun Jiazheng and got a possibility to build a bookstore chain in China from him:

http://www.zeit.de/2004/23/Bertelsmann_2fChina

I hope, Sun Jiazheng knows whom he opened the door to China then. I think, besides this, the job of the foundation is to find out the corrupt people in public administration and tell the divisions whom and how to bribe.

>If it is private money, how can they get any profit from these nasty things?
There exist several ways possible to make large amounts of money with propaganda. Here is one simple:

Taking over governments of foreign countries with their favorite people is a profitable way to earn huge amounts of money. The government has just to give some orders and the investment is brought in with large profits. This is a speciality of Bertelsmann, they are behind governments in several countries of Eastern Europe, and they are even one of the main force behind the new EU constitution, the contract of Lisbon: http://www.anti-b.de/?1851 So if Bertelsmann manages to make revolution they can get the national valuta reserve of China. I think, it's more than 1400 bln USD at the moment - would be a nice cake to share when propaganda succeeded.

There exist a lot of other schemes for earning money with propaganda against the people. For example privatization:

Make propaganda, that a local government shall sell electricity plants, houses, schools, hospitals or what ever communal property to gain fast money. So the media force may buy experts, broadcast a lot of TV, write lot's of reports, how much better management it will be when public property is privately run. Then just bribe the people in the administration who can sell it. The local goverment will sell this property and the new private owner gets interest and the people will pay it. Besides this, when taking over a university or school, this can be made into a new propaganda unit.

Another way of making money is for example with pension fonds. Just tell the people how insecure goverment pension is, ecause society is growing older and older, pay lot's of experts who say the same, and make people buy private pension funds. The funds may be rated AAA and inside might be subprime junk or something similar. When you have 10 Mio people buying and losing pensions of just 10.000 dollars, you managed to rob 100 bln dollars from the people. That's big business, for what you can afford to invest a bit propaganda! But just imagine, you find even 50 mio people losing 50.000 dollar in average with bad private pensions. Sums up to 2.500 bln dollars. That's incredible big business! This style of business Bertelsmann is running n Germany.

>Don't they have better way to spend their money?
If you see the above examples, you may understand, that some million or even billion dollar invested in propaganda can be very profitable.

>These guys really don't seem to be those Germans who were fooled by false information and want to do
>something for the so-called suffering Tibetan people with their compassions.
Yes, of course, the propaganda is just for the lower class of people.

>They rather almost look like as if working for USA who want to push the hostility between Germany and China, really incredible.
As I see it, they do not want to spread hostility. I think, they want no more and no less than taking over Chinese government. As I see it, the CIA is behind this company. I cannot prove it, but they even had better relations to the CIA as a proven CIA company in the past. I think, it's not accidently, that Bertelsmann was given the order to print the Kennedy assacination report despites a CIA cover company urgently wanted it. Nowadays I think, it looks for the agency much better to send a German company to spread US minded cultural goods - or may be better named propaganda - than taking a US company cover.

>I simply can't imagine how Germany, or even an specific political group in Germany in way can benefit from it.
They do not have to care how Germany profits. Bertelsmann has not to serve political groups in germany. They rule Germany and German political groups. Political groups have to serve Bertelsmann. See here:

"Schattenkabinett aus Gütersloh" Shadow government from Guetersloh: http://www.heise.de/tp/r4/artikel/25/25406/1.html

>It would be more understandable if they support Iraq war, because they could at least cut a melon somehow  from the oil.
They strongly supported Iraq war in elections 2002 after Schroeder told he doesn't want to participate in war, but people didn't want Iraq war and so voted for Schroder again despite Bertelsmann did their best to prevent it.

Hope, these answers cleared the topic Bertelsmann a bit. If you have more questions on my opinion about Bertelsmann, just ask.

Best regards
EIn Katzenfreund

[ Last edited by Katzenfreund at 4-5-2008 20:31 ]

Thank you so much Eln.. God, what kind of dirty politics it is. So terrible.

No wonder people in the east European countries and Russia suffered from more problems than China, even more than the old days before they got their 'democratic" system.  Simply so terrible. In fact I was fooled by them too. In China we also have terrible things, but I am even not sure it is more terrible than this one.

Did Schroeder lost his position for something related to these terrible guys other than the economic problems?

I  really hope all people know your answers, at least all Chinese that related to politics.

Thank you again for such your concrete introductions. I really appreciate.

>Did Schroeder lost his position for something related to these terrible guys
>other than the economic problems?
As I see it, yes. Schroeder was brought up by these transatlantic people 1998, because he promised to realizie their ideas of "economic consolidation". Schroeder was also tricked into Yugoslavia and Afghanistan war. As long as he did all they want, he was called "comrad of the bosses".

The change came 2002  when Schroeder announced, that he - under Germany under his rule - will not take part in Iraq war. George W Bush was very angry with Schroeder that he spoke out the secret plan of attacking Iraq, but Schroeder won his re-elections 2002 with the promise to keep German military out of Iraq anyway. He won the elections against Bertelsmann and other transatlantic media like Springer because German voters did not want to participate in the war. These media all favoured Edmund Stoiber and Angela Merkel, who called it irresponsible not to participate in this war against Iraq.

Though Schroeder continued the economic consilidation course as it was prescribed by Bertelsmann and other pressure groups of this type, the Bertelsmann and Springer papers wrote him and his party SPD so much down, that they lose all regional elections. In 2005, when SPD was really down in all polls, Schroeder asked for re-election. Against large propaganda efforts of Bertelsmann other transatlantic media he managed to keep SPD in government, though not as chancellor. The probem is, that SPD is almost as much controlled by Bertelsmann foundation as well as competing parties like CDU, FDP or Greens. The only party in Germany not controlled by Bertelsmann seems to be the left, who came out of former communist party in Eastern Germany. But due to massive Bertelsmann, Springer and other mass media propaganda, they have hardly a chance to gain more than 10-15% in elections.

Schroeder himself signed an agreement with Vladimir Putin to build a large Russian-German gas pipeline under the baltic sea, which would make Germany more independant from US oil wars and after the elections he became Gasproms chairman of the board of this "North Stream pipeline" company. US backed circles try to fund competing project "Nabucco Pipeline" at the moment and compete with the Schroeder-Putin energy project.

So the short answer: for me it looks like Schroeder in 2002 switched sides between NATO and Russia and was punished for this by Bertelsmann media and in result of medial punishment he lost government in 2005.

Thank you again, EIn. I understandd much more about how they run politics in the West after your intrudctions. I heard a little about Murdoch before. I think I begin to understand his media might work somewhere else in the West in a very similar way to Bertelsmann.

I think I will translate your answers to let more Chinese know the corruptive business as much I can.

[ Last edited by SilkRoad at 5-5-2008 00:37 ]

http://www.boycottbush.org/

And boycott all advertisers for Bertelsmann medias!

Thank you for warning China about German Bertelsmann Trojan horse ELN!

I am not sure the boycott is a good idea. The advertised commercial products  in their media don't really have much to do with the lies...

But Chinese must know how Bertelsmann or similar  medias  work in the West, so they would have less chance to be fooled by them. Perhaps more westerns too.

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Original posted by SilkRoad at 5-5-2008 01:38
I am not sure the boycott is a good idea. The advertised commercial products  in their media don't really have much to do with the lies...

But Chinese must know how Bertelsmann or similar  medias   ...

As ELN showed, the medias have great amount of money. Where this money come from? How they make these profits? From the advertisers. The advertisers pay to be advertised on these western medias. That is why we must boycott them-to deprive them of these profits. And then they won't have all this money to bribe China's government and take it over.