Soarahyoung,

Congratulations on being more informed (your words, not mine), however, I've met and spoken with those are aren't as gifted as you are, and that's who I was referring to.  Some are aware of the massacre, some deny it, some have no clue, and others turn pale and silent when it's mentioned.  You are not a representative of the whole.

Third Party?  Sorry.  Conspiracy theories are sweets for the paranoid.

Does it really matter to confirm whether people are brainwashed? When we were born we were influenced by parents, when we went to school we were influenced by teacher, when we read we were influenced by books and we are influenced by all what we hear, read, touch, smell and taste and all these make oneself as an individual and make his point of view, so when it comes to news, everyone has his own judgement based on this; even if you present one same news to two totally different people, they can have totally different views. What is playing a major role in this battle is the different cultures and Chinese and the West still don't get the point of why the other party reacts like this. It's just a comedy. Why should either of you reacts so much? Take it easy. The best way is to neglect.

"Nobody who supports Tibet needs to know anything about Tibet.  They don't need to know it's history, it's past ownership, even it's location on the map.  They don't need to have Chinese heritage or even have anything to do with China.  It simply doesn't matter.  What does matter, is a large group of people want their own independence."

It does matter if they call for "free tibet". Please show me some evidence that "a large group of people" want their own independence, because so far what I have seen is only a very small group.

"Tibet could move to the moon, and the FACT is, it wouldn't change your miserable, insignificant life one bit unless you lived in the area."

Feel free to express your opinion, but stop insulting people.

"It's easier than trying to come to grips with the idea that some people want different things than you do, and believe they have a right to pursue those things."

We Chinese do want different things than you do, and we have the right to pursue those things in our ways. Hae you come to grips with this?

Have you asked the majority of the Tibetan Chinese whether they want to be independent or not? If not, how can you assume so?

[ Last edited by lizchn at 7-5-2008 23:01 ]

It seems that Robo Tron has never been to China, I don't draw any conclusion here. All I want to say is welcome to China this summer and check out the facts by yourself.

It seems that Robo Tron has never been to China, I don't draw any conclusion here. All I want to say is welcome to China this summer and check out the facts by yourself.

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Original posted by RoboTron at 4-5-2008 17:41
No Mike, you can't play the race card.  Every human being on this planet, by their very nature, is susceptible to brainwashing to some degree.  Though the term originally implies a systematic method f ...

Thanks for your comments, I'd like to ask you a very simple question:

Where did you get the idea that Tibetan's human rights today is much worse than Han/Muslim or other ethnics in China? Did you read it somewhere or have you personally been to Tibet?

Facts - whatever you read was simply opinions, not facts, you could choose to believe it or you don't have to. So don't force us to admit that we have problem simply because you insist that we do.

Facts - Yes yes China does have human rights issue, and you admitted USA does too. So why do you think the whole world is only attacking China but not USA? Is it because the situation here is much worse here? or is it simply because we are not white enough?

Finally, apparently you still believe Dalai Lama's will IS the true voice of Tibet, so you think all Tibetans want independence. Now let me ask you something: Does George Bush's will IS the true voice of USA? Well if you say yes, tell me more about Iraq; if you say no, maybe it's time for you to do more research, before you blindly support the so call "Free-Tibet" cause.

A good starting point:

http://www.dalai-liar.com/

[ Last edited by superlip at 20-5-2008 16:25 ]

My knowledge of the human rights conditions in the area of Tibet are irrelevant.  The fact that some people want to be freedom from the Chinese Government, a government with a poor record in that regard, is perfectly understandable.  That's the issue.  No matter if it's better for them, or worse, it's about CHOICE.  Something I feel many Chinese, though I love them dearly, have a big problem grasping the concept of.  You NEED choice in your life.  Once you have it, you will do anything to protect it.  I support the idea of people having choice.

China's problems are in the spotlight, even more so because it's hosting the Olympic Games.  The issue in China is more serious given the number of people affected and the type of problems they face.  This racist garbage you like to chew on is also a joke.  Japan and Taiwan aren't being picked on.  Nor is India.  It's convent for you to play the race card.  That is a sign of weakness on your part.  If someone has a problem with you, if feels better for you to call them a racist rather than deal with the real issues.  I see right through you.

Who the Tibetans choose to follow is their business, though that doesn't mean ALL will want to follow the same path.  In the case of Bush, or any other president, we elect the person we think best represents us.  It's impossible to pick someone everyone will agree with, but the general idea is that you can make at least a majority of the people content.  While many Americans supported Bush in the beginning, the war changed the way a lot of people feel about him, as is natural.  Currently, he does not represent the true will of the USA.  However, that's why we have elections, and term limits.  Bush can NEVER again be president.  As of next year, his time is over.  The answer to your question is yes to both sides.  You seem to be the type of person that think in a binary fashion.  Everything is straightly yes/no, right/wrong, black/white.  I find that the hallmark of an unreasonable person.  This is why you posed a question that was designed to make me look wrong no matter which path I choose.  I am not impressed.

In turn, if the Dali Lama did things that displeased a majority of the people who support him, it would be good of them to find someone they did support.  Again, a concept I expect you to not be able to relate to. You have ZERO say over your government, and your leaders.  Maybe if that bothered you, you'd understand how the people in Tibet might feel.

I checked out the website, it's really trashy.  If I wanted that kind of garbage, I'd look at a few 9/11 conspiracy theory websites, Nazi Shrunken Heads, or KKK material.  This website is like something the Nazi party would have created to slander the Jews.  You should study some early Nazi propaganda.  You'd see some disturbing parallels.  I think it's funny the site is hosted in China.  Because it's OK to have a website that slanders the Dali Lama, but if you tried to host a website that showed him in a positive light?  Website blocked, shut down, and you'd probably end up under house arrest, or worse.

As disgusting of a person I think you are for supporting that website, even you don't deserve to be imprisoned for believing in something.  As the old saying goes, “gotta take the bad with the good”.

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Original posted by lizchn at 7-5-2008 22:59
We Chinese do want different things than you do, and we have the right to pursue those things in our ways. Hae you come to grips with this?

"We Tibetans do want different thingsthan you do, and we have the right to pursue those things in ourways. Have you come to grips with this?"


I can't believe you don't see the irony of your own rhetoric.