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So you think Chinese are brainwashed?

This topic has been bump by kukkaukkonen at 26-4-2008 21:09.
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Original posted by uutopia at 20-4-2008 18:29
" but now, what makes you think BBC/CNN is any way better than Xinhua? "
"Xinhua has nothing to lose, BBC/CNN and the whole western media just lost 1.4 billion supporters."
i don't agree with your t ...
hey dude, we are on the same side, but we also need to face the fact that Xinhua has a lot to do to improve it's credibility. If we can't even embrace our own flaws, how do you expect others to listen to us?

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This "Chinese have been brainwashed" notion is a true product of racism.  It is based on the racist mindset that Chinese are not smart enough to have strong critical thinking skills and they are not capable of making their own judgement.  On the other hand, it suggests that some white people do not need to know Chinese history, language, culture, even geography to have correct judgement on China related issues including Tibet, human rights, democracy, freedom and other issues.  When several anti Beijing olympic demonstrators in Paris, London and LA were asked to locate Tibet on a China map, none of them could tell where Tibet is.  When asked how could you have strong opinons about China if you don't know its geographic location, a middle-aged white man (he looks like an unemployed person) answered: "It doesn't matter, it doesn't matter!  All I care about is freedom.  This is all about set the priority."  Is there anything elso that could be more stupid and riculous?  If you even do not have an idea where Tibet is, how could you know that majority Tibetans do not have freedom?  You can tell that THESE PEOPLE ARE TRULY BRAINWASHED by their media, and yet they still feel good and do not realize  that they were making fools of themselves.  On the other hand, most Chinese know both Chinese and English languages, they read both sides' stories (thanks to the Internet and modern technology), many have visited, lived in Tibe, many parts of China and other European countries as well as in u.s.  or have families and friends who have real live experience in Tibet and other parts of China, have learnt over the years to make comparisons to reach right conclusion.  Compared with a lot of people in the west, Chinese are actually much less likely to be brainwashed by anybody.  This kind of "I'm smarter then you because of my race" mentality and arrogance can seen from most west media and some people in a few nations.

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>  " First of all, no Chinese I personally know believe in CCP's media, not even in China.
>   When we want to find out about something, we use internet, no one watch Xinhua news  anymore these >   days, at least no one from younger generation."

I'm 21 now and still in university , well, I agree with you very much.  I  have watched a whole piece of  Xinhua news for less than 5 times~~

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PS  There are also some other midia companies here , not only Xinhua ~~such as SMG(Shanghai Media Group ) , Phinex TV ,etc. For us young people , Xinhua is just a political guide.

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No Mike, you can't play the race card.  Every human being on this planet, by their very nature, is susceptible to brainwashing to some degree.  Though the term originally implies a systematic method for changing a person's beliefs or ideas, it's also loosely applied to situations where a coercive message is being delivered from one party to another.  In this case it is the message delivered by China's state run media.  It also involves the suppression of other forms of media.  That's why when you try to learn about the Tienanmen square massacre, you end up with missing information that would otherwise be available.  The very fact many of China's graduating students can't even recognize a picture of 'Tank Man' is pretty sad.  Even worse, considering the image and the events that it depicts are well known throughout the rest of the world.

If you are still having trouble with the concept of brainwashing, go and look at some of the propaganda generated by the Nazi party during the 1930s.  Don't just look at the posters, but read the articles and press releases who's primary purpose was to tell the German people their very lively hood was in danger because of the Jews.

Are there Chinese who are smart enough to know they are being lied to?  You bet.  I've met and talked with them myself.  But you won't them among the the ultra patriotic group this page seems to attract.

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Hey wait a second, hasn't the mass media been brainwashing the public? Why do they have any right to condemn others for being brainwashed? Why is it alright for the media to preform such a demeaning act??

-Samtom

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The race card...

Of course the 'race card' can be played. Because it is true and because some of these non-Tibetan protestors are motivated by nothing else but racism. Justin Raimondo of antiwar.com describes it as 'veiled racism'. Their protests have nothing to do with 'human rights'.There are many indigenous peoples all over the world wanting their 'human rights'; the Hawaiians in the U.S for instance. Not to mention the native indians who are still living in those 'nice' reservations given to them by the non-natives. None of these so-called Tibetan protestors are protesting for their 'human rights' They're not even protesting for the 'human rights' of the Iraqis. Hypocrisy? Of course.

But more than that it's racism. They don't protest against the U.S. because the mainstream in the U.S are white. In China, well, the Chinese just aren't white enough...and the thought of a non-white world power scares the beeejeeezzus out of them...

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To Robotron

I am a smart-enough Chinese conscious of brainwashing going on in China, but I am not BRAINWASHED already!!!  Not all the people would buy whatever lies they are fed!
What our enducation in China teach us is nothing like racism, and our medias are silent sometimes but they are better than loud liars!
btw. almost every educated Chinese knows about "the Tienanmen square massacre". I think I understand it better than you because both the killing and killed students and soldiers are the same Chinese as me. Can u tell me if u are susceptible enough to wonder if there is a third party behind all these killings.

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soarahyoung-"In China, well, the Chinese just aren't white enough...and the thought of a non-white world power scares the beeejeeezzus out of them..." You just took the words out of this Westerners mouth.

-Samtom

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Justin Raimondo?  He's a libertarian fruit bat who frequently enjoys stirring up conspiracy theories (USA lured Japan to war is my favorite) when he thinks he's running low on press coverage.  What's next?  I can't wait till you start quoting Ted Kaczynski.  Please don't use loons in your arguments, it doesn't do your reputation any favors.

It's a limp argument to claim indigenous people of the United States lack human rights.  You can't change the past.  Did they get a raw deal?  Yes that's one way to look at it, but many are very well off today.  We do the best we can to accommodate everybody, but while they may no longer have a country to their own, we do permit them the same freedoms every other citizen has, and try to do what's fair and just for everyone.  You'll always have radicals who chant “death to USA”.   There will always be nuts in the fruit bowl, though the numbers of people here pale in comparison to those in other countries.

By sheer numbers, and the types of issues raised, the situation in China and Tibet is worse off than the US.  That's a hard pill for you to swallow, but the first step in acting like a man is admitting when you've got a problem.  It's quite apparent that you can't deal with your own problems without pointing out someone else's flaws first.  That shows your character is weak and childish.

The USA, like others, isn't perfect, and has it's share of problems.  Like everywhere, we are trying to move forward.  But it's not a black and white world, and some places are moving farther or slower ahead then others.  Is it our place to force democracy and human rights on other people?   I certainly don't think so, but there are some who think so.  Hence the lack of perfection.  I do though, like many, support anyone who wants to gain independence from countries where problems are more pronounced, as much as that so obviously stings your pride.  I want labor laws and safety of workers protected in China, I want women in Saudi Arabia to be able to drive cars, and I want girls in Africa not forced to undergo female circumcision.  Yet, in all 3 of these places, there are people just like you.  Foaming at the mouth at the idea someone would have issue with these things because the problem sits on your doorstep.  Grow up.

Nobody who supports Tibet needs to know anything about Tibet.  They don't need to know it's history, it's past ownership, even it's location on the map.  They don't need to have Chinese heritage or even have anything to do with China.  It simply doesn't matter.  What does matter, is a large group of people want their own independence.

You happy in China?  Good for you, but you are only one person, and not a very important one at that.  You still need to understand why people would want Independence?  A good example can be found by reading the United States Declaration of Independence.  Read it carefully.  Note what the people in the document want, then notice the lack of race and class identification in that document.  If you understood this document, then you would understand why someone might want to become a “traitor”.

Tibet could move to the moon, and the FACT is, it wouldn't change your miserable, insignificant life one bit unless you lived in the area.  It's like your favorite sports team losing the championship.  Yes, it gives you something to cry about, but in the end you aren't really affected.

The race card?  Sure you can play it..... it's the easiest card to play.  It basically tells everyone else you are too weak to come up with a cohesive argument to stand on, and the best you can in the discussion is to dumb it down to skin color or any variety of physical features.  It's easier than trying to come to grips with the idea that some people want different things than you do, and believe they have a right to pursue those things.

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