There are demands to BBC to apologize for these China-Tibet issues. But what about the Chinese Communist Party? Many million killed during the Cultural Revolution, Tibetan and Mongolian cultural treasures destriyed, religion suppressed. The CPC said that the Cultural Revolution was not good. But I never heard any apologies of the CPC for those crimes organized personally by Mao and his comrades.
Apologize first, be a good example for BBC!

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Original posted by Nick at 3-5-2008 14:31
There are demands to BBC to apologize for these China-Tibet issues. But what about the Chinese Communist Party? Many million killed during the Cultural Revolution, Tibetan and Mongolian cultural treas ...

Cultural Revolution is China's own problem. The main people involved have been punished according to the law of China.

The late Deng Xiaoping was also a victim of Cultural Revolution.

Do you know what you are talking about?

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Original posted by Nick at 6-5-2008 20:11
but it really WAS also a problem of occupied territories which juridically and historically are NOT China! Tibet and Inner Mongolia are occupied territories because they belonged to Mongolian and Manchu empires but not to China as such. China

That is a very interesting argument but full of flaws.

1. Regarding Tibet please spend some time reading what M.A. Jones has posted in the following forum and the references quoted by him
http://discussions.pbs.org/viewt ... ic_view=&start=

And the video clip put up by American couples who went to Tibet to have a first hand experience of the situation and the the perspectives from Tibetans (in China, not those who were borne and live overseas like India etc.)

Free Tibet! The real Tibet may have you shocked!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siBqFgwL-lA

2.  Regarding Inner Mongolia and Manchuria,  well, it looks like you came from Mars! You really have a lot of catch up on what happened in East Asia in the last 800 years or so! Pls. find out more. If you can spare the time and money, pls. go and tour China, go to places like Tibet, Yunnan, Inner Mongolia, Guanxi, Sichuan, Ganshu, North-East China (where Manchurians' ancestors used to live) etc. to see for yourself what the reality is.

3.  "Occupied territories"? Are you sure you are telling ALL European immigrants to get out of the whole American Continent, Australia, New Zealand,Hawaii, etc. and go back to Europe? It looks like you are really from Mars!

My friend from Mars, you really have a lot of reading up to do.

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http://www.larouchepac.com/news/ ... ew-enemy-image.html


The Economist Builds China as the New Enemy Image
05 May 2008

[Economit+Pic] May 5, 2008 (LPAC) --The May Day issue of the British Fabian's primary voice, The Economist, dramatically escalates the British campaign to prepare the world for war on China. The cover story is titled "Angry China," with a picture of a menacing dragon's eye, ready to pounce. The article portrays China as being swept up in a nationalist rage, in a "frightening mood," with "thousands of Chinese people waving xenophobic fists," proving that China is a "more dangerous force than optimists had hoped."

The Fabian fascists don't stop there - they add that while this enraged mass is a serious danger to the world, it could potentially be turned against the Chinese government itself, if the West plays their cards right. "Popular anger, once roused, can easily switch targets," the old colonialists pronounce, pointing to the thousands of popular demonstrations in China against the government, over corruption by local officials, pollution, and human rights abuses. This, of course, is the age-old "divide and conquer" techinique, familiar to empires from the Romans to the Brits today. The article concludes with a classic Imperial warning to China, that they better learn to "respect foreigners' rights to engage it, even in its `internal affairs.'"

the only way the world can stop the encraochment of the british meddling ion toehrs affairs is by meddling inside the british affairs and thinking of attacking the british inside and outside britian both militarily , poiltically and by eductiing the masses of british evil designs.

I have to agree that what was actually written by the editor fell quite short of an actual apology and merely was a promise of one, a statement that he wouldn't mind apologising.  However, I think it's a bit harsh to be criticising the BBC for this and saying "is this the best apology they can come up with?" when anyone can see that it clearly ISN'T an apology at all.  I think people's energy could be better directed into a formal petition to the BBC for a full and explicit retraction and apology to be broadcast via its news programmes.  That would not only show the BBC that this issue is serious (16 year-olds putting videos onto youtube, frankly, doesn't cut the mustard) but it would be far more constructive then bickering with morons on youtube (something that can happen on any subject with anyone, regardless of nationality).

P.S.  Please be gentle, this is my first post!

Obviously anti-China and anti-communism fever severely damaged Mr.James Ostrich Reynolds' IQ. This guy and bbc made the best comedy film of this summer. Congratulations!

Maybe BBC is really great. It provides equal job opportunities for mentally disabled people.

Please, find my notes after quotations from you post: separated by dashes.

1. Regarding Tibet please spend some time reading what M.A. Jones has posted in the following forum and the references -----There are many widespread mistakes in that post, some of them I discussed in response to Mr. Granqvist (e.g. total number of the Tibetans for comparisons should be estimated not only in the TAR but in other areas artificially included in the Chinese provinces).
I saw these and also other vodeo clips regarding Tibet. General conclusion will be like this: development of economy and social infrastructure together with destruction of Tibetan culture and religion.

2.  Regarding Inner Mongolia and Manchuria,  well, it looks like you came from Mars! You really have a lot of catch up on what happened in East Asia in the last 800 years or so! Pls. find out more. If you can spare the time and money, pls. go and tour China, go to places like Tibet, Yunnan, Inner Mongolia, Guanxi, Sichuan, Ganshu, North-East China (where Manchurians' ancestors used to live) etc. to see for yourself what the reality is.----Strange... I visited some of those places. I do not see any argument in your statement.

3.  "Occupied territories"? Are you sure you are telling ALL European immigrants to get out of the whole American Continent, Australia, New Zealand,Hawaii, etc. and go back to Europe? It looks like you are really from Mars!---- Again about Mars... Yes, fortunately, not from China... I can agree with your words: yes, China in Tibet and Mongolia behaves like Anglo-Saxonic colonizers in America, New Zealand etc.

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Original posted by Nick at 8-5-2008 17:51
Please, find my notes after quotations from you post: separated by dashes.

together with destruction of Tibetan culture and religion.

You mean the destruction of:
....after 1959 they did abolish slavery and the serfdom system of unpaid labour, and put an end to floggings, mutilations, and amputations as a form of criminal punishment. They eliminated the many crushing taxes, started work projects, and greatly reduced unemployment and beggary.

Do you mean that all the above practices should be preserved and the people in Tibet shouold continue to suffer and continue to live in backwardness while the rest of the world progresses and moveson?

They established secular education, thereby breaking the educational monopoly of the monasteries. And they constructed running water and electrical systems in Lhasa.”

Do you mean people of Tibet should be deprived of modern facilities?

Rather than being"Sinocised" urban Tibet is being Westernised. Tibet's transition from feudalism to modernity hasbeen a painful one, but one that many Tibetans are now embracing as they seethe benefits filtering through. Young Tibetans are thus becoming increasinglyless interested in religious and independence issues as they discover andembrace more de-sublimated forms of pleasure through shopping, the internet,discos, kareoke bars, and, for the smaller but growing number of wealthierbougeois individuals among them (most of whom are drawn, not surprisingly, fromthe families of religious tulkas) the joys of both domestic andinternational travel and study.

Oh! Goodness, Tibetans are being westernised! Isn't tha what the westrn people have been trying to do all over the world in the past century or so?

....generally speakinglamaism is thriving - not only throughout the TAR, but also throughout greaterChina (even in Beijing) and internationally too for that matter. Considerablereligious freedom then, despite claims to the contrary, exists in Tibet.

...'destruction of Tibetan religion'????


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