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The Flaws of Democracies

This topic has been highlight by kukkaukkonen at 3-5-2008 21:53.

The Flaws of Democracies

And we see another flaw of democracies, so-called Democratic Western politicians are only short-minded opportunistic greedy Egos, who will not do what is best for the common people but rather do whatever they see fit to get into the spotlight.

Only a few days ago France seemed to be concerned about the increasing anger by the Chinese people in China and France, calling for boycott of French products and demanding justice and fairness. The French president crawled to our national handicapped hero Jin Jing, sending high senior officials to personally hand his apology letter about the Paris terroristic chaos and invitation to become his personal guest in France. These are all public relations to calm down intense criticism and soothen the tides in China. Our leaders smartly accepted he crawling, because after all everyone needs everyone if we want to continue a peaceful relation between two sovereign big important countries, especially when after a half year France will get the rotated chairmanship of the EU.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol ... /article3788922.ece

But then today the Paris mayor decided he would rather aim at some cheap traiterous shots and win some popular votes by the brainwashed francois. Today Paris Mayor granted the DL and some dissedents honorary citizenship disregarding for any harm done to the long-term relationship and trusts between China and France.
http://iht.com/articles/2008/04/22/europe/france.php
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The attention Beijing is attributing to the matter will no doubt please the recently re-elected mayor of Paris, Bertrand Delano毛, who is trying hard to become the next leader of the French Socialist Party, which is in disarray since having lost the presidency last May to Nicolas Sarkozy and his Union for a Popular Movement, or UMP, conservative party.
So-called democracies with her short-term minded greedy politicians are bringing all their people and systems at the brink of collapse!

Do we need to start cencelling our Airbus orders and boycott all other French products before they get the message?

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Democaray is just a kind of political tool, Whether it's good or not depends on how to use it.
Due to the differences in the situation of our country, we should never adopt the so-called western democracy!
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Democracy is the process which allows the people of a state to change its government without having to resort to violent revolution. However, whenever democracy is employed as the justification to legitimise the taking of property and wealth from one group of people to give to another group of people to promote equality, democracy rapidly become a tool of corrupt politicians. The consequence of this is that the poor remain poor. A class of rich get to stay rich and richer. And wars and conflicts become necessary to divert the people's attention away from the consequences of democracy.

When the United States was founded, it was not as a democracy. It was established as a Republic. The Founding fathers knew all too well the evils of democracy, as their study of Greek and Roman civilisation made perfectly clear.

Democracy is tolerable so long as its influence is strictly limited by a constitution and rational law. As it is currently deployed in western democracies and encouraged to be employed in Africa and the middle east, it is doomed to fail.

A useful book is: Hans Herman Hoppe's 'Democracy the God that Failed.'

And this is an interesting article.

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Russia has been a perfect example.

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To:  MickeyZhang

I had just finished posting Mr. Cafferty's rant on America the dictatorship, and it really got me thinking. Since Mr. Cafferty's views are indeed correct, and I am a gullible Westerner willing to believe them, it has just proved why I would feel concern living next door to such an unethical democracy. I am also concerned about  the trillion dollar defacate facing the US (which they so humbly brag about), and how that will effect my country, with its "ethical NAFTA treaty". So I humbly encourage other nations  to run far away from Western Democratic practices.  Canada was sold out by Brain Maloney's NAFTA treaty.... do not let you nation fall victim!

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Democracy is only a blessing if you have a small village of a dozen families, and you need the whole village feeling "free and liberated " so they can work towards a common goal, which everyone has the sense of feeling involved and important. However even for this village to keep on functioning you need a certain degree of hierarchy in each family and in the "government". And in the governing body, which you might only have a few persons to "govern" the small village you still need to have a good open and transparant system to avoid corruption and have accountability. Another issue is that all these 12 families eventually would want to "have the best" for her own family,and want to have a voice or see policies implemented what is "good for his own family" and less for the overall benefits of the whole village. This is why in this governing body compromises need to be made, which immediately reduce the effectivness of any new rules, laws or policies. Compromises which might be half-good for some families but in the longer term bad for the village. Just imagine this to be applied in a country of millions, tens of millions, hundreds of millions and even over a billion.

(Note: Thanx to the link to Hans Herman Hoppe's 'Democracy the God that Failed.', I will look it up if I can get a copy in Shenzhen, if not maybe in Hong Kong)
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in a publicly-owned government -- i.e. democracy -- the rulers' have current use of resources only, not their capital value. These government caretakers cannot personally keep that which is exploited from the tax-producers. Thus, systematic property violations will be greater under a democracy. In economic jargon, the monarch's degree of time-preference will be substantially lower than that of the publicly-owned government caretaker due to difference in ownership. But isn't the democratic system kept in check by elections? Not really, argues Hoppe, as those in power "buy" votes with their redistribution policies and egalitarian schemes.
This reminds me of the news article I just read that Hillary Clinton just received another 10 million bucks to spend on her Primary Election parade. I really wonder how much money are thrown away in the Elections of democratic nations. Often it seems like the more money you have the more chance of winning an election. Effectively, even in the small village example I sketched you will see the governors trying to bribe the votes and get re-elected again. These bribes can be with new favorable (often short-term) policies, or plainout with monetary means. Or spend a big portion of his time on making promotions and public relations to get "his message" over to everyone, but wasn't he elected to govern the interests of the village, so why he is spending his time and money in winning an election race? Sometimes I wonder what the job is from someone like McCain, Clinton or Obama, who are now full-time running for Presidency. Don't they have some senate work to do?

Short-term minded politicians are ruining the so-called democratic free countries which need long-term minded efficient and effective governming bodies working for the best interests of the overly majority of the population. If we have to sacrifice the opinions and voices of a small minority to keep on developing the 99.99999% of the remainder of the populace, be my guest! Our long-term oriented government would need to keep an open mind and listen to constructive criticism, be flexible enough to adjust the policies when the majority's interests are swifting.

Similar like the pollution issue, the majority of the people is concerned about it, in China we can implement a new policy of banning all free plastic bags in supermarkets at the snip of our fingers. We have to sacrifice some plastic bag manufacturers, but we save the environment and in nett give much more back to the people!


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The problem with the OP statements toward democracy is that he/she obviously doesn't understand how they work.

I don't know if teaching political science to someone with a second rate education will work, so I'll just attack his/her points in the posts.

For one, the French President hardly went crawling to China's forgiveness. This is how you repay an act of kindness, calling it feeble?

Second, the reason the French mayor endorsed the Dalai Lama even as the French President was trying to calm tensions was because he could. The Mayor doesn't have to follow whatever political line the President is doing, he can act completely independently within the scope of his power as an elected official. The French President could've said he did not support endorsements of the Dalai Lama: that doesn't mean others still cannot embrace him.

As far as short minded politicians, you think that is exclusive to democracy? I can point out many African dictatorships that had the same problems, and the same goes for Mao Zedong, a former ruler of China. Hell, despite banning plastic bags, China's air pollution continues to rise as its biggest environmental endeavor, and so far not many measures have been implemented beyond standard crowd pleasing ones. Beijing is having dire water problems on the horizon, not much is being done. Like in the West, its not going to be until the shit hits the fan that its probably fixed.

As far as money to political campaigns, John McCain was lagging in revenue for months behind his Republicans competitors, and now he is the nominee. He still doesn't have the money of Obama.

And Hilary just pulled off a victory in Pennsylvania, and she has $10 million in debt and now $14 million in cash. Obama has nearly $50 million. Under the doctrine that "more money = victory," Hilary should have already lost.

Whats more, Obama didn't have the most funds until the recent months. He was considered a long shot for a long time, and had half the funding of other candidates until his big wins during Super Tuesday.

If you do not understand how democracy works, I'd suggest you read up on it first. Try Wikipedia, the English language one wasn't blocked by Chinese censors last time I was there however I wasn't able to access all pages of the Chinese one. A few were blocked by censors.

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woops double post I didn't notice a big delete button though...

What template is this board written on? I could get us something else with an automatic double post filter...

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Original posted by Scryer_360 at 25-4-2008 00:28
If you do not understand how democracy works, I'd suggest you read up on it first.
Western-style democracy is NOT the answer or solution to all ills.

I have not come across any country which became prosperous, peaceful and harmonious as a result of western-style democracy. Singapore is the only exception. However, Singapore has been criticized by the west as non-democratic, police state, etc.

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New Zealand, Australia, Canada? All have incredibly high living standards as a result of Western democracy.
Criticize our actions in Iraq all you like, but we're little more than peacekeepers.

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