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Why Chinese do not make democracy and human rights big topics?

This topic has been sticky by coolface at 15-5-2008 00:24.
The equality is a problem, for example, the wealth is focused in the eastern coastal area. That's why I say what we should do is to improve economy. And new economic policies are made to improve the situation. I don't think politics will help though. Of course, politics is everywhere, but the effective way is to adopt better economic policy rather than dramatic political revolution. How does human right help to improve the economy in the inland area? I don't believe it will.

I don't mean China is perfect. We have a lot of problems. But please, let us solve the problem the way we want. The western world want to tell us what to do without even understand our current situation and our culture(but are they really interested in that?). This is unacceptable to us.

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Original posted by kateS at 23-4-2008 01:32
The equality is a problem, for example, the wealth is focused in the eastern coastal area. That's why I say what we should do is to improve economy. And new economic policies are made to improve the s ...
I think based on my limited work experience in China: the central government made most of its policies out of good will but the problem are the people who actually execute them. and this associated with the fact that the "power" are too much controlled in a superior and is open to less effective vetting. not sure u agree though - that is why i say should change a bit in political system

oh, i don't mean dramatic change definitely that is why i used "improve".

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Yes, I definitely agree with you and many people complain about the government. Efficiency, corruption, etc, is always a social focus. But there is more deep reason in adopting this kind of political system, not only historically, but of the huge population and the culture, etc. We want to improve it and as you said, it need to be improved gradually.

But do the western politicians really mean that? What has it to do with human right? Human right might be a problem, but definitely neither the only problem nor the most urgent problem. But why do they use this topic against China again and again? Also, the problem of how to improve is one thing, but do you think they are that kind to offer real help? Is their way correct and will it benefit China? As a Chinese, I won't believe. Especially for political activities, profit is always the driven force. From the current situation ,as well as from history, China never benefits from these kind of political "suggestion" from the western world, and we only end up with big chaos in society and that's why we will not believe. Who is trying to mess up the Olympic Game this time? Not Chinese.

Regardless of the "purpose", western way is not very effective in China. Not only the western way, anyway from other countries will not effectively work in China because of the huge difference from every aspect. We have to solve problems our way.

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Original posted by Katzenfreund at 22-4-2008 17:21
Hello,

I have a question and suggestion for my Chinese readers here:

Why not make human rights, press freedom and democracy big topics from Chinese point of view?

I like the idea of human rig ...
There is no "Western Democracy" in China, Gentleman. You must understand first about China before any discussion could be carried on.

3 Points:

1.China is ruled by a extremely centralized goverment. There is no such "democracy" in China, which might enable ones to against Chinese Goverment in public.
2.Economics fundation decides political superstructure. China is still in early stage of development, over 1 billion people are not well-educated (college level),"democracy" to these mob-like, if instigated, people, will only be troublesome to Chinese Goverment.
3.China is so "unique" in the world, so is Chinese goverment. Not like the EU, in which countries are pretty much similar.  

Westerners don't understand the situation of China, but are more likely to believe their media, therefore, the outcome is "prejudice" and "misunderstanding".
Just make a trip plan to go to China to see its people and their life by yourself. That's one thing that I always remind people around me.

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Original posted by kateS at 23-4-2008 01:55
Yes, I definitely agree with you and many people complain about the government. Efficiency, corruption, etc, is always a social focus. But there is more deep reason in adopting this kind of political  ...
I have no other words then. totally agreed.
the whole point is that it is a very sensitive time and it created a sense that the west had used this olympic and the riots to put animus pressure against China. (this pressure is under the flag of human rights etc...) No chinese would support separatist and they know we will be angry. This anger will harm Olympics.

I know many westerners don't think they want to put pressure on Beijing and they claim truely for human rights - but politicians are playing games like that.

That is why i don't support boycott and i do encourage dialogue.

(personal opinion)

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Original posted by hippo_du at 23-4-2008 02:02


There is no "Western Democracy" in China, Gentleman. You must understand first about China before any discussion could be carried on.

3 Points:

1.China is ruled by a extremely centralized go ...
hey! suggest you read through all the replies. He had made explaination

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Yes, I think the westerners, especially ordinary people, are not realizing that their action from the good will to improve human right is actually tricked by the government. I don't believe the media when I was in China, so I tried to listen to VOA. Now I am here and I realized that no media is to be believed. They are not lying. But part of the truth and the way to tell the story can distort the whole picture and lead to totally different conclusion. It sounds sad but I have to judge the thing I see and hear myself.  

It is a very sensitive time and actually there are no much we can do except help the communication. I think it is one thing the Chinese media did very bad that they don't help the communication. They tell the Chinese all the good things going on in the country but don't tell others what is China. Not only media I guess. For international communication, there is much stronger connection in economy but very few in the level of culture.

From my own feeling, I think most American around me are friendly but the lack of communication and understanding is obvious. They also don't care much about what is going on in China. Actually it is normal because the countries are so far away and it almost have nothing to do with daily life except that you have special interest in other's culture or economic connection. Media is their only way to look out and they form their opinion on it. What I am a bit worried about is the education. I didn't feel it here personally, but I hear that some are trying to make Chinese appear evil in their historical textbooks. That will be a bad impact. I will not care if you say China is poor and it is true in most part of China, but if someone say Chinese are evil, or like what Jack said, and make it a stereotype to the whole generation, that will be a big problem.

There are some very interesting experience after I went abroad. I used to discuss with many international students in my trip to Canada, basically Europeans and they always say China is a "sleeping giant". I told them China is not that big and strong as they thought and there are too many problems during the development and most people are still quite poor. And I still remember a German answered me that "That's why we call you sleeping, because you don't realize how powerful you can be." I can only laugh and tell them if you have a chance to go to China, you will see what I mean. But now, I tell people you should visit China because it is not as bad as you think.

Totally different attitude and I think behind it is the biased information we get. The media either exaggerate the improvement in China or go to an extreme to defame China and Chinese using political topics. Anyway, there is no "free media" even though they can criticize the government, they will not really violate it as long as the profit are the same and they want to survive.  

The current affair is a good lesson for many Chinese I think. Chinese are very humble and the western world used to be the dream of millions of people because there is better life, more freedom, friendly people, etc. But now they see it is not a perfect world. I hope it can also be a signal for the westerns, that China is changing, but it's a shame that maybe most people cannot see this from the media. We are more conservative but we learn to open in the past 30 years. We want to keep open and the Olympic Game is a good chance. It is the westerners who keep to the stereotype and refuse to open to us. And some are even trying to force us to close the door.

When thinking about this, I feel like to cry that since more then 150 years ago, the nation struggled to survive the war, to keep the land, to drag itself through starvation, to gradually open up and develop relationship with other countries with totally different social system and values, to improve the life for its people. Every step is very difficult and we worked so hard to make it. But now those who used to appear so friendly are trying to exclude us out. We are still trying, that's why so many Chinese are protesting but the government take no action at all. Even though the people feel hurt and sometimes the anger also goes against the government because they don't speak out for us, we can understand their difficulty and the determination to keep open to the outside world. We can be emotional but they cannot. If the government is irritated and takes actions against the western world, it means peace is ended, or at least, development is ended. Actually the current trend is already pretty bad in terms of the international environment for China. Thanks to the media.  It is a personal point of view but I think most Chinese will agree, that we are not ambitious, we have no interest to tell others what to do, all what we want is just a better life.  And all what I can say is, it is so hard.

[ Last edited by kateS at 23-4-2008 03:28 ]

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Original posted by kateS at 23-4-2008 03:19
Yes, I think the westerners, especially ordinary people, are not realizing that their action from the good will to improve human right is actually tricked by the government. I don't believe the media  ...
I 100% agreed. I really hope more people can read your reply - shold make it a topic!

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Thank you. I am happy you can read those long paragraphs and agree with me. The reply here is my first post in this forum. I was a bit concerned at first because my English writing is not good - I study science

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Original posted by kateS at 23-4-2008 03:37
Thank you. I am happy you can read those long paragraphs and agree with me. The reply here is my first post in this forum. I was a bit concerned at first because my English writing is not good - I stu ...
can you give me the link to that post i really wanna see people's reply.

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