Your questions:
why do people in china need to go to jail only because they say their oppinion?
why cant chinese people watch non-chinese television?
why are foreign reporters not allowed to report freely from china but chinese reporters are in our country?
why does china censore the internet like no other country in the world?
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I hope this video answer the questions "is true that .... ?"  rather than "why .... ?"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ZBuAau9VFA

As you can see, the answer to those questions is "no, it is not true."

in a democracy people (the folk) are free to say whatever they want wether the the politicans like to hear it or not and dont have to go to jail for it  

Did you read the spiegel article in german? There a very famous professor kishore mahbubani talks about democracy.
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Mahbubani: In any event, you can not just impose any recipe from somewhere else on countries such as China. It would be a disaster for China, if democracy happens overnight there. Hundreds of millions of people would suffer the consequences.

SPIEGEL: Is it possible that you do not believe in democracy at all?

Mahbubani: This is a nasty insinuation. I truly believe that all countries in the long term would go democratic. But I do not know when that will be. Everything takes time.

SPIEGEL: Your motherland Singapore had plenty of time. She has over 40 years of independence and economically highly successful. Why is there still no democracy?


Mahbubani: What bothers you then? The Government of Singapore is elected democratically every few years, it is what the people wanted. People in Singapore are satisfied with our social contract. You seem to lack respect for our people and its will.

SPIEGEL: The people also want the draconian penalties, whippings and the death penalty?

Mahbubani: Apparently, yes. And you know why? Because people want to feel safe. In New York and in many European cities at night, you can not walk through the streets. In Singapore you can. There are no slums, because we have a very effective social system. The people are satisfied with the social system. They know its limitations too. They have chosen it themselves, no one has forced them.

SPIEGEL: How important is the press freedom?

Mahbubani: Very important.

SPIEGEL: Why is the freedom of the press restricted in Singapore then?

Mahbubani: Each society develops its own culture, its own rules. In Singapore live many nation groups, earlier there were violent riots here. That is why journalists should not write about ethnic tensions.

SPIEGEL: A society should be able to talk about their problems openly, rather than keep silent and ignore it.

Mahbubani: Thank you very much for this advice! You know, here four million people live on a tiny island. We are one of the fragilst countries in the world. Such a country must be governed differently than Germany or the United States. Maybe you who are from the West could finally respect (our culture and our system) for one time. The time of (self-righteous) teaching is over. There had been an unusual period in which the West has dominated the world, they colonised, they took control (of everything ). This period is now over. Once for ever. Please finally stop telling us how we should organize our societies!
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Note:

Each society develops its own culture, its own rules. In Singapore live many nation groups, earlier there were violent riots here. That is why journalists should not write about ethnic tensions.

People should talk about their problems, but it's just no use if they are dead already, because of ethnic tensions. You understand what I mean? I would do the same because it seems like a wise decision for me. No press freedom has it's positive sides. But it requires a 'rational government'.
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Why does many chinese don't want freedom?

It would just end in a state collapse. If 80%/1 billion chinese want to go to the city just to work in offices, it would cause hunger. Not only in china, also in africa and some parts of southamerica. Then it would cause excesses and riots, probably a civil war. Only the white house could do such a genious plan( democracy now! democracy at any cost). That's just blind actionism at it's best.
P.S: I'm not chinese. I have to go for a walk with my dog now. I'll answer the rest later. The guy above me answered a few of them already. If some of them are still unclear, just ask me.

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A person or nation needs the power from out of it's self to make progress or change it's nature is very necessary. So you must carefully listen to the different voice from anyone to improve, please don't anti the voice object you. Listen all the voice, but just select the correct or acceptable voice to be your action. Don't angry with other's words any more. Do right is the best objection!
SIncerely
Zhang
stevenchina2008@hotmail.com

well why don't they do a referendum to see whether the people really wants the whippings, the press controled and things like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Int ... Act_%28Singapore%29  ?

WHY? you ask.

Well, We all know that China isn't the perfect country, it's a struggling one and a still stuck in its developing stages.
It's cuz, for many chinese people [and other humans], Democracy and human rights is always always second to food shelter and water. It's not a wealthy country for a land of its size.

You can see this in the chinese in china, overseas chinese, they're not the ones to cause trouble or make any sort of MASSIVE speech in public, anything happens, they keep their head down. But thats only most of them, i'm not speaking for all chinese, you on the other hand, generalise 'chinese' as being an advocate for non human rights. Well, thats certainly not true, of course we care about human rights, but many people in China are very poor, they're aim in life is to earn money to support family, to get enough to eat and drink and live. I think this would take up most of their time, don't you think?

So i'm asking you to consider China as a country, and what's in it, before you make a decision and rash comment about  supposed human rights [free speech and democracy] in china.

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Hello,

Hey, it's amusing to read how all those brainwashed "westerns" here believe in their confusion of their states and "civilisations" under capitalist dictatorship ruling with "democracy"

Just say the "bad word" or real opinion to Your boss in the U.S. and EU or other "western democratic" parts of the world and You may enjoy the "freedom" blacklisted for lifetime with hunger for You and Your family living on the street instead in a warm flat and be forced in UNO ILO-violating forced work to return social welfare costs by law SGB II in DE or the lockheed-martin "workfare" system in the U.S.  And noone can easily blame the government for such indirected hidden repression undetectable by classic UN HR-criteria.

There're 100 other highly modern and developed dissident repression methods in the west. So the western capitalists can afford press and internet freedom besides the capitalist controlled(!) mainstream press like CNN and small dissident clubs which can never start a fire against them. Cool solution, isn't it? I've never heard Amnesty International complaining, they do only scans for the classic HR-criteria.

The capitalists are the hidden real ruling "fourth force" in every western "democracy", the "multi-party systems" and "multi opinion free press" are only to confuse the masses about the real sovereign who may alone claim power according to the law of democracy: the majority consisting of the daily working poor and their one and only labour party. theres no need for multi-party elections in fact. fractions are still always possible within the Communist Party.

Chinese government just adopt to their by classic human rights criteria undetectable modern opposition repression methods and the mourning from the west will end,
You can hire western (psychological) counterinsurgency consultants for the job on the free world market, they do it all, only a question of dollars  ;)

Well I've seen the western TV reports on some bad corruption used by a low number  of corrupted Communist Party personell in provinces and some criminal rich guys pressing them and the local police to do so. This hurts us all of Communists. Just enforce the laws and have the western press teams at place if You crack down on those bad guys and all will be fine again, ok?
Do it now! Any experimental introduction of some capitalism needs tight control or those new
rich guys will hurt the People, that may not happen even if we all know China is still developing such control but Your government can do better.

And thanks for freeing Tibet from the documented cruel lamaist regime. Religion is poison and needs to be eliminated. You should crack down far harder, Comrades.

Happy Olympics,
flipper

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Hey, it's amusing to read how all those brainwashed "westerns" here believe in their confusion of their states and "civilisations" under capitalist dictatorship ruling with "democracy"

Lets keep calling people brainwashed to a minimum.

I seriously thought about addressing your points and showing how wrong they are, but then I saw your name...  I'm sorry, but I can't take anyone seriously who's named after a dolphin, and I doubt you feel different!  Enjoy the forums!

I doubt democracy works in China on a large scale. But I would wish the Chinese more press freedom for Christmas in certain areas to fight corruption and ill-use of taxes. Do these two points contradict?

Too many different socio economic background and far too many people. They may not even have enough understanding for democracy just as most Western voters know shit about the people, they vote for. It might work but it could just be another Weimar Republik. The risks are sky high.

Hey but in India, it works! How come? I don't know... I admire India. India is a miracle for me.
They did have a much better start though, without a @ing moron like MaoZeDong doing political experiments with millions of "collateral damage". DengXiaoPing came much too late. But better late than never. The Indians also inherited the judiciary structure of Great Britain.
But India also has problems like indecisive parliament and a population constantly rising. I doubt you can implement a "one child policy" in India. Still I admire that India's democracy is so stable...

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