Hello,

I have a question and suggestion for my Chinese readers here:

Why not make human rights, press freedom and democracy big topics from Chinese point of view?

I like the idea of human rights, think that the idea of human rights describe a hope for a better living of the people and I think that many people in the world and probably in China, too, like the idea. I wonder, why the oficial China seems to be so passive in this international discussion and I really would appreciate a more forwarding role of China in this discussion. I believe, China might be proud of it's practices of good govermnment, their way to make a better living people possible and their way to protect their people against black propaganda like we witness it now in the transatlantic Tibet campaign.

So why not talk about democracy? I think photos like this from Aleksandar Vodevic may be a good start an international discussion on topics like democracy, freedom and human rights:



I think, the best way to immunize people against brutal coordinated attacks with black propaganda like we just saw it on Tibet province is to open their eyes in advance. When China opens the eyes of their own people, I hope, they might open the eyes of Western people, too, and make them help to come to a better living. That's why I appreciate this forum a lot.

In the west I see a big problem: nice ideas like human rights, press freedom and democracy were hijacked by a bunch of people thinking only for their own faith. They have organizations like NED, HRW and RSF financed by the US government and acting as CIAs gunboats to give legitimation to commit really ugly crimes like attack wars and bloody civil wars.

See here an example of what NATO engagement in the name of human rights means in reality:

http://worldivided.com/2008/04/1 ... -to-prosecute-them/

I regret that China is not more actively promoting human rights, like they really are, and not what the cynical covert CIA dog "Human Rights Watch" tells the people about it. Why to let such CIA backed organizations the moral supremacy to define, what human Rights are? See here in this movie how the US government uses human rights:

http://www.leadingtowar.com/

I would appreciate many more Chinese reports like these:

http://www.mein-parteibuch.org/b ... ted-states-in-2007/

As I see, Russian government started to act in this way, too, they will found a Russian-funded institute on human rights and democracy in Brussels, Europe:

http://en.rian.ru/russia/20071106/86726246.html

Guess what? The people in Western governments are not really happy with this institution . The don't like to loose their possibility to control the definition about, what human rights, freedom and democracy is, because it may break their propaganda of the moral superiority of the west.

So, I would just e happy, if some Chinese people may explain me, if China plans to do some more in this moral defition fields. I would appreciate it and I'm sure other Western people would appreciate it. I would be happy, if this post would be translated to Chinese and forwarded to Chinese people and look very much forward to answers.

Beste regards

Ein Katzenfreund

My viewpoint below:
http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/thread-1057-1-1.html
We had stopped thinking capitalism evil for 30 years,but you still think communism evil now.
Differences in political systems as well as policies adopted don't affect the people living there.
Try to respect us as we respect you!

The Chinese people and government hold the same standpoint against splittism.
So the "free Tibet" slogan is the worst one you use ,1.3 billion Chinese people will be you enemies.
I don't like the picture you posted, don't be so aggressive. We love peace and against wars, but don't forget that the PLA never lose out a single war after the establishment of the PRC.

"human rights, press freedom and democracy" have already been big topics in China, just not in the form you hope.

It's because our form of solving the "human rights, press freedom and democracy" problem is against the interest of some westerners and western groups, that they slander and tell lies and cheat the western people with their massive biased or even faked coverages.

About democracy, I want to say something.First, I don't think democracy is something perfect. Bush became the predident but won less votes than Gore. Whether the democracy is good or not depend on the situation of the country, the democratic Indian government is ineffective compare with Chinese. And in China, there is a large population of peasants who were not well educated, they can hardly make right decisions on some critical issues. But with the education condition improving, there will be more democratic in the future.

...I'm really tired of talking these things. Do you westerners has anything new to talk about?
Chinese used to welcome these things, but not now. We're disappointed with WESTERN democracy after 1989 and now we're going on a way of our own.

Though my english is not good ,however, i'll do my best to describe my opinion in english clear.
Thank u Ein Katzenfreund.There will be fine if more and more westerners come here to have a place to discuss with easterners.THANK U A LOT.

Firstly here is my post about the fact and history of Dalai, in which have my own commentary in the end.Have a look,please. http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/thread-1043-1-1.html. And u'll understand the 14th Dalai's story.

Then there's a misunderstanding that considering Chinese people have no right to tell human rights and no democracy in China,which opinion maybe true if in the 1950s-1960s.

We don't want to talk human rights for the 14th Dalai because he have no qualification, however, it don't express our Chinese ignore human rights in other areas. U can check more information about this point in the forum, if u want.

I feel sad when i konw  what western medias are saying with barely realize the Tibet's history.

And no govenment is perfect enough, there stil remain many issues. What  your opioion for Kosovo affair and war in Iraq, for human rights?

Frankly, it's a nice thing that have a communication bewteen the westerners and the easterners,really and truly.

Due to the different cultures and histories, we hold a different way of thinking with westerners, that we can't adopt your ways.

@mickeyzhang
I fear, you got me wrong. I fully respect you. I do not think communism is evil. I think, Chinese may be proud of and happy with what they achieved in the recent decades. I'm fully conscious, that "democracy", "human rights" and "press freedom" is Western values and that there is no reason to ask China to adopt these Western values.

If you read my post, you might have remarked that I'm not happy at all with what the reality of human rights, democracy and press freedom is in the west. See the links and the photograph in my post to understand why I am not happy at all with that reality in the Western world. And as I see here in this forum, Chinese people seem to be a bit unhappy with at least the reality of Western way of "press freedom", too.

The post I made was born from desire to get help from China to make a better living in the west. And my idea is, that by unveiling the bloody reality of "democracy", "human rights" and "press freedom", the people in China could gain something from this, too. I would assume an effect of immunization of the people against propaganda attacks - military would call it psychological warfare - and I my view on this is to see such an immunization as a value.

My point of view is, that it would not only be a waste of resources and money from Chinese side, but that unveiling the dirty methods of NATO propaganda done with words like "democracy", "human rights" and "press freedom" may prevent ignorants to engage in destructive violance and lootings like they just happened in Lhasa.

It might be, that I'm wrong. It might be, that the Chinese understand the nature of the swindle of Western "democracy", "human rights" and "press freedom" without havig extra education.

My idea is on the one side, that uncovering the bloody swindle of Western "democracy", "human rights" and "press freedom" would help to make Chinese people understand the lies as they see now the lies of Western mass media about Tibet. My idea is on the other side, that uncovering the bloody swindle of Western "democracy", "human rights" and "press freedom" may help the Western people gain a better living. I see common interests of Western dissidents and Chinese people there. My hope and my suggestion is, that these common interests in unveiling the Western swindle will come together.

That's why I ask. I really do not want to prescribe China anything.

Sincerely yours,
Ein Katzenfreund

To Katzenfreund:
Democracy is good thing. No doubt. But it is good only when it comes to the nation in a natural way. Forcing democracy on a foreign soil by military force, or by using threatening methods, is going to bring bad results. Also no doubt for that.
See what US has accomplished in their effort to force democracy onto Iraq. That is only one example. You have no idea about the mindset of people in Iraq. They were born and raised in an environment that is completely different from yours. You have no idea of their thoughts and beliefs. And you naively believe the western-style demoracy will give them happiness overnight, even it comes to them accompanied by gunshots and missiles.
Forgive me, though i understand what many Westerners think and believe, but the fact remains, democracy should not come that way.
Iraq is just lesson one. If the US is capable of doing such again in Iran, or North Korea, they will learn more severe lessions. The key is, you don't know how these people think, you don't know the soil. And you wishfully believe the seed of western democary will grow in that soil.

[ Last edited by sunxhao at 22-4-2008 18:50 ]