Why some Western media wage 'asymmetric warfare' on China
[align=left]Notice:From People's Daily Online, an official sponsored website. [/align]People's Daily Online Wednesday released an interview between Song Luzheng (hereinafter will be Song) and his French boss Bastien, trying to figure out why some Western media entities have long-held a biased, even hostile attitude towards China; and why a few of them showed blatant discrimination towards China and went out of their way to slander China, as seen and heard following the Lhasa Riot and on the global tour of the Beijing Olympic torch relay.
Song: What remains confusing to us Chinese, including the overseas Chinese, is why the French government, as well as the people, are so actively –overzealously – and desperately involved in attacks and clampdowns on China. Some French media carried articles and editorials with evident anti-China sentiment which can be detected by just glancing at the titles: "Olympic flame suffered a disastrous defeat in Paris," and "A slap to China." To my knowledge, the Chinese-French relationship remains sound and without any substantial conflict or confrontation. China has never done anything to offend French interests; and in particular, the two sides recently concluded a deal with a bulky order worth over 20 billion euros. Why would France opt to risk losing such a big and promising market like China?
Bastien: (pondering for a while) For human rights.
Song: Human rights? But why has the French government continuously offered aid and even sent protective troops to those African countries whose human rights records are even worse?
Bastien: You are quite right, but…
Song: Let's get down to Tibet. As a part of China's territory, Tibet takes the lead in the country for tax exemptions; and is also exempt from family planning restrictions. The per capita GDP in Tibet exceeds 10,000 yuan. Compared with parts of China's mainland, Tibet enjoys the most preferential treatment as far as human rights are concerned. Why won't the French authorities shift their attention to other matters equally as important as human rights; and why do they, instead, always pin their focus on Tibet?
Bastien: It is still different because of the Dalai Lama.
Song: When you mention the Dalai Lama, I wonder how much you know about Tibet.
Bastien: I don't know very much about it.
Song: Then how much knowledge do you have about the Lama Buddhism?
Bastien: I'm sorry, I don't know very much about it.
Song: It is unbelievable that your government can easily pick a side to join that is opposed to China, when it remains ignorant of the Dalai Lama and Tibet. The Dalai clique is a bloc mixing religion and politics. Mixing religion with politics is forbidden in Western Europe, including France; and it is considered illegal.
Bastien: I'm not quite sure about this, as nobody has told me about this.
Song : But the Dalai Lama has kept very close ties with the Aum Shinrikyo ( Supreme Truth) cult.
Bastien: That's impossible.
Song: But it's a fact. The Dalai formed a tutor-pupil relationship with the Aum cult guru, Shoko Asahara; and even worse, he accepted a 100,000-dollar offer from the Aum cult. In return, he granted the cult a certificate which gave the cult a religious status in Japan. It was because of the Dalai Lama who persistently supported and trumpeted Shoko Asahara that the Aum cult could acquire "tax exemption" privileges and accumulated funds to bankroll his cruel evil doing against the Japanese people.
Bastien: (suspiciously) Did it really happen that way?
Song: You can find it on the Internet, and you can also find a group of photos with the both of them.
Bastien (reticent)…
Song: Then do you know what the Tibetan social structure was like before 1959, when the so-called "uprising" was foiled by the central government?
Bastien: Democratic society, of course.
Song: (astonished) What? Democratic society! Come on, that was serfdom! It is incredible how you French could call it democracy.
Bastien: What?
Song: Do you know why the Chinese were irate and outraged this time? It is simply because your media fabricated news and made slanted reporting.
Bastien: (excited) Certainly impossible.
Song: The Chinese people both at home and abroad are still protesting this. RTF even fabricated a story saying the Chinese Embassy apologized to the French media.
Bastien: But was that true?
Song: It was crafted news. China's Foreign Ministry has straightened it out at the weekly press conference, stating that no such apology ever happened.
Bastien: Oh! I didn't know that.
Song: When the armed rebellion erupted in Tibet in 1959, the two brothers of the Dalai Lama were both working for the US's CIA, as the U.S then tried to cultivate Tibetan rebellious groups and airdropped them into Tibet to launch and organize the riots.
Bastien: Are you sure about this?
Song: Yes, this is history.
Bastien: As far as I know, the Dalai Lama has all along been seeking greater autonomy, not independence.
Song: But I wonder if you really know about the true nature of this "autonomy." What is behind the "autonomy" he preaches are his unspoken political ambitions: first, he attempts to smash the existing social system in Tibet, and rebuild a Tibetan society by mixing religion and politics. Second, he attempts to force the central government to pull troops out of Tibet. And third, he attempts to establish the "greater Tibet" which covers Tibet Autonomous Region and neighboring provinces which have never belonged to Tibet; and making up a quarter of China's territory. He even attempts to carry out "ethnic cleansing" by driving the Han Chinese out of Tibet. Do you really believe Tibetans would enjoy more human rights under the leadership of such a political Lama?
Bastien: Why has the Chinese side never explained this to other people?
Song: We have. The Chinese government, embassy and the overseas scholars keep informing others of the truth. Unfortunately, you are selectively blind to the facts and turn a deaf ear to the calls for justice.
Song: There is still one thing I personally can't understand: why did the French government sent such a hostile message to China this time? You must have done this for a reason, right? For instance, France strongly opposed to the U.S invasion of Iraq because of oil. More than a decade ago, the French government finished a deal with Taiwan on arms sales, which aroused great indignation from the Chinese and poisoned relations between the two countries. But we all knew, even then, it was driven by profit. But this time, for what? Who will want to deal with such an unreliable and unpredictable friend in future?
Bastien: (silent) I really didn't know about this before.
As we continued talking, I suddenly realized that Bastien is a French person with limited information and knowledge about Tibet and the Dalai Lama and fed by the media's selective or even manipulative reports. I can not help but think of a military term – asymmetric warfare – which originally refers to war between two or more players or groups whose relative military power differs significantly. But today, "asymmetric warfare" can describe a conflict in which the resources of two opposing sides differ; and during the struggle, each side interacts and attempt to exploit each other's characteristic weaknesses. Some biased foreign media is launching pseudo- asymmetric warfare on China.
[i]By People's Daily Online[/i]
[url=http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90780/91342/6393940.html]http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90780/91342/6393940.html[/url] human rights???
How much evil in the name of human rights. Interesting, if Bastien really exist and is really be a french journalist, I do not wonder, why he does not find a job in France! And works for the Chinese Government!
And when song is his best journalist, .....!
Reasons:
1) No feelings in an interview!
Bastien: (pondering for a while)
Bastien: (suspiciously)
Bastien (reticent)…
Song: (astonished)
Bastien: (excited) Bastien
Bastien: (silent)
2) do not interupt!
Bastien: You are quite right, but…
Song: Let's get down
3) inform about, not rate a person!
The Dalai clique
4) Mixing religion with politics is forbidden in Western Europe! Really?
a lot of Parties have religious background!
Before court, you swear on god!
A member of the cabinett swear on good, before he get into office! Even the US-president do this!
It is forbidden, to persecute people because of religion.
It is forbidden, to force somebody to have a special religion.
We in the west have freedom of religion, freedom of speach, Freedom of assembly and Freedom of association!
So it is [b]not[/b] forbidden, to mix religion with politics!
5) Bastien: I'm not quite sure about this, as nobody has told me about this.
Is he or is he not a journalist! Your are selfresponsible to get your informations which you need, you are a journalist! You must have a basic knowledge of everything!
And you have to prove their reliability on your own! Have you ever attend a school for Journalist?
6) Dalai Lama has kept very close ties with the Aum Shinrikyo ( Supreme Truth) cult
A murderer needs more ore less spiritual leadership?
It is common, that monks visit criminals in prison! So what is your point?
7) Tibetan social structure was like before 1959 ......... was serfdom
And whose responsibility was this?
When Tibet was independent, the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama!
When Tibet was part of China, the Chinese Emporer!
8) RTF even fabricated a story saying the Chinese Embassy apologized to the French media.
Who is RTF?
Do you mean RTF, which was a radio and television company in France from 1949 to 1964?
[b]RTF[/b] est un [url=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sigle][color=#0000ff]sigle[/color][/url] signifiant :
[list][*][url=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiodiffusion-t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vision_fran%C3%A7aise][color=#800080]Radiodiffusion-télévision française[/color][/url], société nationale de radio et télévision française entre 1949 et 1964.[/list]
[b][i][url=http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTF]http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTF[/url][/i][/b]
[i]9) [/i]Who is interviewing whom?
Song speaks more than Bastien!
10)
why did the French government sent such a hostile message to China this time?
Who will want to deal with such an unreliable and unpredictable friend in future?
Why?
Condeming the Invasion in Iraq because their were not enough evidence that Iraq have weapons of mass destruction
Selling weapons to Taiwan, and allies of the USA
Where was this unpredictable? Where was this hostile?
[b][u]A nice faked story, easily to expose. But not from Chinese![/u][/b]
Where is your media literacy?
Have you ever heard of this word?
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_literacy]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Media_literacy[/url]
To : ImmortalCHN
I believe, de_guo_ren would rather die than admitting western media make bias reports about China based on their prejudice and ignornance. :(He can't accept the truth that Dalai Lama is actually a liar, either. Western media & governments made and are making great "mistakes" on the issues of Tibet and Dalai Lama. What I believe is that normal westerners are brain-washed by western media regarding Tibet and Dalai Lama.
Well, de_guo_ren is not a bad-hearted man; he is just typically German, very sturbborn and resorting to sophistry "强词夺理" "诡辩".
Best Wishes and Regards
YY De guo ren ignorance about china is a small portion of your ignorance about the west. Western media may be biased sometimes, other may commit mistakes based on scarce knowledge of China but, man, nothing compare to the Chinese one, who are biased by definition cause they endorse one-sided opinion (official one) on every topic. And in terms of who is more stubborn.......don't let me talk.....
Dalai Lama is a liar; if I have to compare what he publicly say (never said Tibet should be independent, always said Chinese have the right to have a good olympic game) with how Wen Jiabao address him, I see clearly who is spreading hatred here. You cannot judge somebody for what he may think in reality, you can judge if from his words or actions there are clear evidences. For instance we all have evidence that internet in China is partially censored, right? Or we all know that Osama Bin Laden wants to destroy US from his words
Average Western people don't give a damn of China. 5/10 years ago the only moment they thaught about China was when they went to Chinese restaurant on the week end to eat cheap fried spring rolls.
Lately China has become more popular in the west for positive things (women, cheap products, rapid urbanization) and negative (Tibet, censorship, unfair competition from chinese companies). So what? welcome to the world! This is just the beginning. In our country we praise and critize everything and everybody and we will not stop this just to save your face..... [quote]Original posted by [i]de_guo_ren[/i] at 24-6-2008 01:51 [url=http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=17396&ptid=2164][img]http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]Interesting, if Bastien really exist and is really be a french journalist, I do not wonder, why he does not find a job in France! And works for the Chinese Government!And when song is his best jour ... [/quote]
Hey hey hey~!
Read the thread carefully~!
Is there any single word in this article proved you Song must be a Journalist?
Reply 4# Yanyan's post
Indeed:( ~Reply 5# suanlaTibet's post
Poor Suanla. You still think that your country is the world. As I told you, one day you will land on this planet.Yes, in your country you critisize everything and everyone. You also insult, lie, steal, rape, murder, etc. Your country ranks really high on those categories. Good to know that you enjoy and you are proud of that civilization (should I better use a different word?). Maybe as a consequence of your rampant illiteracy and functional illiteracy (according to U.N. criteria) that brought your country to rank 41st. while few decades ago it was at the top.
You always try to find an scapegoat for your wrongdoings. But do not count on us for accepting it. We are building a different civilization. Welcome to the world !
To de_guo_re & SuanlaTibet
de_guo_ren,I respect your serious way towards debate/finding the "truth" though I can't agree with you in many things.
I also told my German colleagues, I respect German way though it made me feel German were sturbborn. I had German friends, I often told them directly, they were sturbbron and resorted to sophistry. They just smiled. German people are good at debating, which is true.
SuanlaTibet,
To be frank, you bring humiliation on yourself. If you hadn't tried to offend my friends, my country and myself first, I wouldn't have humilated you.
You finally learned not to say rubbish words in this form, good; a little of what you said above is reasonable.
But I have to correct one of your mistakes I don't like, as to Chinese Premier Wen, he didn't say anything about Dalai Lama; Chinese President and Premier never say this man's name from their mouth; but I know a high-level Tibet official critisized Dalai Lama severely in Press Conference. He said Dalai Lama was a monster; I don't want to make comments on this official's words. That's it.
Dalai is just a political chess for anti-China organizations; he is a liar, but as to whether he chosed to be a liar at his willingness or he is forced to be a liar by these anti-China organizations, I don't know. So, he is a tragedy, actually.
Regards
Reply 8# xieuling's post
My former message could be misunderstood. I mean, the fact that your country (one among many) do thingsin one particular way does not make neither good, nor acceptable for us. Even if <<Average Western people don't give a damn of China>> as you told.Your country is not the world. The world is much broader than any country. Much broader than "the West"
Accept it or use Prozac (your country is #1 in bi-polar illness as well) and fantasize on spiritual Tibetan universes.
Welcome to the world, SuanlaTibet. (if you are already landing)
to Xieuling
Agree with you.In China, there are many excellent westerners working and living here; but also there are many bad-quality westerners staying here. :'(
As a Chinese saying says, "林子大了, 什么鸟都有". In a big forest, there're kinds of birds. Sorry Yan Yan but I really don't feel humiliated by your comments , you keep offending and I keep posing arguments so maybe it is you to have few words to say. Dalai Lama is a respected (excluding China but including Tibet) spiritual leader whose books ( I read a cople of that and I would suggest you to read before being so opinionated) spread love, compassion, respect, etc. Period. Then you can say that in reality his "hearth" is bad and what he means is different from what he writes and says, well, this is horseshit ok? You can't judge without facts. Facts: 1) China destroyed 75% of Tibetan temples years ago; 2) People in Tibet (and in China) don't have the right to demonstrate; 3) Han Chinese have become the majority of inabitants of Lhasa.
Xiao xieuling,
if you read the posts the reason why I said that people in the west don't give a damn about china is because many of you think that we always talk about china and tibet negatevely. The fact is that we don't talk at all.
I don't understand what you are saying: 1) I am not from US and my country has much more literature, art and culture than yours; 2) I don't use prozac and especially viagra because I really don't need them; 3) I am not ill; 4) I just landed (with the plane) in Beijing from Shanghai so, I am already on planet China.
To: Suanla Tiebt
I lived abroad for some time; I read Dalai Lama's books during that time. Well, in my opinions, his books can make naive westerners blind, but for me and most of Chinese, humm, full of lies. :) I don't mean to offend you; for most of westerners, they even can't tell the georgraphical difference between "青海", "西藏" "甘肃" and "新疆". Most of westerners even don't know the difference between "Tang Dynasty", "Yuan Dynasty" "Song Dynasty" " Ming Dynasty" and "Qing Dynasty". How they can really know China and Tiebt??A foreign student studying in a Beijing university argued with me about Tibet as you did, I just asked him "Tibet is near Mogolia, isn't it?" He was sillent, he even didn't where Tibet is, so he couldn't answer me with such an easy question. This is common among westerners. I suggest you should learn Chinese georgraphy very well and history well before arguing with Chinese about Tibet.
So when you know the history of Chinese, better than I do. You are welcome to talk with me about Tibet. :)
Regards I take the comment on "geography" as provocative, considering that, as you did, I travelled there a couple of times and by the way: your government just (2 days ago) opened up again Tibet to foreign tourists after more than 3 months so I will be back there soon, trying again to avoid to go with tourist groups (difficult this time) in order to make up my opinions by myself and filtered up by somebody else. I suggest you to do the same when travelling and as an attitude, start challenging the mainstream idea before accepting that blindly. Is it possible that in such a big country there is noone with a different opinion on these topics? ??? In terms of history , I am sure you read more than me but the point is what you read: I don't like the official chinese history books, they all rely on one main assumption: everything that could be seen as negative regarding China, Chinese and the current leadership must be hidden or slighly touched; like your equation about that murder called Mao: 70% good, 30% bad, topic closed. The western way to check facts and write books used by historians is scientific and listen to any opinion and facts before writing conclusions. The chinese way is based on initial conclusions to be confirmed with part of the facts: China is a great country and civilation and the reason because has been surpassed during the last 400 years by foreign powers and more recently, Japan, is because foreigners exploited china, Taiwanese stole the gold, etc....
It is also common about Chinese the fact they don't know that during cultural revolution and great leap forward, around 60/80 million people died of starvation, killed , etc... and this is your history!
To: SuanlaTibet
As I say one again, keep away from me; I mean it seriously. When you really understand China, you can come back to talk with me. OK.Travelling a little bit in China doesn't mean you know China; talking with some Chinese people doesn't mean you know China; reading a little knowledge about China doesn't mean you know China, what's worse, this "a little" knowledge is mainly from western media.
I travelled in Europe and USA; I read your guys' books and newspapers....but I'm humble, at least, I know, I'm still the outsiders for their history, culture and politics etc. So I don't like to make comments freely, which only shows my ignorance and rudeness.
SuanlaTibet, here, I say again, leave me alone. I have zero interest in talking with you.
Regards ok, no more talks.....the last drop of any conversation with a Chinese is always the same.....you don't know China so whatever you say is wrong.....it doesn't matter if you have been lived here for over 5 years, doing projects, giving lectures, eating the local food, listening the local music, meeting its people, etc... .......You still don't know China....... until you have their same opinion........
Facts vs Fiction...........
Yes! The Great Leap Forward,and The Cultural Revolution, is a dark spot in Chinese History.So is Slavery and Racism in the United States history. Did you know how many slaves and Blacks were Lynched ? Was this the early western Cultural revolution? Blacks were not allowed to study? I can show you original photos of Black having his balls cut off, and put in a glass bottle as a display. This makes you proud? I'm amused at the way you call a good or small lie, "A Little White Lie".:lol Your entire essay makes me :L ,because I feel sorry for the Frog in the well that's looking at the sky. "photos of Black having his balls cut off, and put in a glass bottle as a display"? .......No thanks.....I never saw any balls of blacks and don't want to start now......Anyway, definetely that period was pretty bad and I guess the civil war in America helped to clean part of these "practices" but, considering that I am european, I am wondering whether you have some photos of whitches' tits burnt during the middle age......that would be indeed amusing.....
To Talkstraight
Agree with you, Talkstraight.Chinese don't deny the damages of Culture Revolution; instead, we have a clear mind of it and we learn from this hard times.
Cultural Revolution is regarded as one of the darkest moments in Chinese history; it caused great damages to China and many Chinese people, especially for the generation of my parents and older ones. But Chinese realized the great mistakes; we made great efforts to correct this mistake since 1979.
Every country experienced pains in her history; China has more than 5000 years old; in her history, China experienced much glorious moments as well as painful moments.
Regards BTW, this is the way a great european director such as Antonioni describes history, in an impartial way:
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