Quotations from Chairman Mao Tse-tung
As far as our own desire is concerned, we don't want to fight even for a single day. But if circumstances force us to fight, we can fight to the finish. ~~"Talk with the American Correspondent Anna Louise Strong" (August 1946), Selected Works, Vol. IV, p. 97.I have said that all the reputedly powerful reactionaries are merely paper tigers. The reason is that they are divorced from the people. Look! Was not Hitler a paper tiger? Was Hitler not overthrown? I also said that the tsar of Russia, the emperor of China and Japanese imperialism were all paper tigers. As we know, they were all overthrown. U.S. imperialism has not yet been overthrown and it has the atom bomb. I believe it also will be overthrown. It, too, is a paper tiger.~~Speech at the Moscow Meeting of Communist and Workers' Parties (November 18, 1957). [quote]Original posted by [i]yangguizi[/i] at 20-4-2008 05:17 [url=http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=4888&ptid=207][img]http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
How many Chinese should have Mao killed before you start to consider him an a**hole ? [/quote]
hmm, you mama probably tell you 60-80 millions chinese killed by the mao...
how much do you know about the growth rate of population? if you had a bit of common sense on the subject, then you would not have used such dumb statement!!!
but again, for most of americans, i am not so surprised.
here is the hint:
during 1954 to 1964, the population of china had increased by over 120 millions...
[[i] Last edited by kukkaukkonen at 28-4-2008 14:04 [/i]] Yes, it is about time! Taking shots at Mao is just cheap! As a Westerner I am ashamed of you!
-Samtom Napoleon is not just a good guy but also a bad guy. He did good things besides wrong things from whichever angle.
So is Mao.
"Bad Wolf should be killed to save innocent rabbits". You should not believe this kind of tales since you r 6 years old. A human is a mixed being that can not be described with a single one word. I thought this is a basic principle in the west,. Maybe someone fell asleep during history lessons. Just by curiosity, which side are you are.....
-Samtom Sorry, I thought yangguizi was talking about the Cultural Revolution, a disaster caused mainly by Mao. So I was talking about how to appraise a political leader.
Now that I see the focus be the responsibility system of birth control, I want him to calculate the resources consumed by those "60-80 millions of people killed by birth control". It was so funny that my mother was worried about her single one child's tuition (and it's common for many families in 1980s) while freedom fighters shouted "little boy your mother needs to give birth to more and more babies to struggle for her human rights".
Warning to yangguizi
Do not use dirty words in this forum! As I see it, Mao had admiral ambitions and goals, achieving much by giving China a substantial place in the world. However, his strengths lay in Revolution, Ideology and leadership - not economic planning. The great leap forward is proof enough. [quote]Original posted by [i]Hexane[/i] at 28-4-2008 20:15 [url=http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=9194&ptid=207][img]http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/en/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]As I see it, Mao had admiral ambitions and goals, achieving much by giving China a substantial place in the world. However, his strengths lay in Revolution, Ideology and leadership - not economic plan ... [/quote]
I agree with you.
That is why Chinese people always consider Deng as a economic planning leader, consider Chow as a international diplomacy expert and consider Mao as a ironhanded leader.
To Yangguizi:
I repeat it again and again: stop showing your innocence of the history of China and the birth control and go back to the libraries for the knowledge you should have known well.
1949~1953: It was the time of baby boom. Since the civil war had ended, and the grave problems of public hygiene had been solved step by step, the death rate reduced substantially. The population growth had grown to 23‰(1953) from 16‰(1949). New growth: 60 million.
1953~1961: There was first a discussion on the birth control plan. The expert Ma Yinchu brought up this plan---but Mao didn't like him or his plan. Mao consider China as a country that was able to feed more and more people, and his personal point of view affected many economic plans and led China to a disaster. As a result, the terrible growth rate almost made China collapsed. In 1959, a so called "3-year-long natural disaster" came to China. Death rate was 25.43‰ in 1960 and the new growth rate was -4.57‰. Most of them died of starvation. In my opinion, it was not a natural disaster but a disaster caused by Mao's being an tyrannical leader. [color=red]So you see, indeed Mao killed many people during those 10 years, but he killed them by ignoring the birth control plan and supporting many crazy plans considering China as a country that would never get hungry.[/color] He is not an economic planning leader, and when it comes to the economy, he may be a green hand.
[color=red]And pay attention please, there was even no birth control plan put into practice during your "1954 to 1964".[/color]
1962~1970: Birth control plan began to be put into practice but was interrupted by the political disaster Cultural Revolution caused by Mao. And it still hadn't been put into practice in the countryside. I don't know how many western people know about the situation in Chinese countryside in before 1980: sexism killed many girls. Many of them were drowned to death when they were born because their parents only wanted a boy. Sexism was an old problem in the countryside of China since hundreds of years ago. If the parents didn't have the heart to kill their baby, they just tried to give birth to one more baby to get a chance to have a son. What if the second baby was still a girl? ----Try again. Again, again and again. [color=red]That was the root cause of the population issue of China.[/color] Since that political disaster made the plan pause, the growth rate had been up to 33.43‰ during those 8 years.
1971~1978: Chow always acted as a savior during those years. He protected many dissenting people and scholars persecuted by Gang-of-Four. And he also supported many rational plans to save the country including the birth control plan. In 1978, the growth rate reduced to 18.25‰. This plan was very effective in the countryside. Many couples in the countryside began to accept their newborn daughters. And since parents who downed babies to death will be punished more and more heavily, this kind of crime had been kept in limits. (And to be honest, there still are some backward villages in the countryside in which people give birth to more and more babies just for a son. What if there could be some international help to solve this problem for ever?)
1979~1990: China began to open her door to the world. This time, not by enemies' guns and cannons but for a better future of this country. There were no political obstacles since Cultural Revolution had been stopped in 1976. Growth rate: 14.6‰.
Oh, I nearly forget the plan for the minority ethnics. many of the minority ethnics families consist of 2~4 children, an old grandpa, an old grandma and the parents per family. Don't ask me why, just think about it. To avoid a end of doom of these ethnics and their cultures, the birth control plan seems to be very different for them and for Han people. Some Han people live among them even feel like second-rate citizens.
To admin:
I suggest there be a subject on our history and our culture. As you see, many people joining in discussion here just don't like to search some valuable information even with Google. Jesus.
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To admin:
I suggest there be a subject on our history and our culture. As you see, many people joining in discussion here just don't like to search some valuable information even with Google. Jesus.[/quote]
[quote]That is why Chinese people always consider Deng as a economic planning leader, consider Chow as a international diplomacy expert and consider Mao as a ironhanded leader.[/quote]
In my opinion we are still giving to less credit to Deng, he is much more than a great economic planning leader, and after this Chinese golden age (hoep for thousands of years to come) will be creditted by the future historians as the godfather of this great age. yangguizi , your history about China is so ignorance.
Why not talk about the Summer palace ?
Why England and France came china and fired it ? no doubt Chairman Mao is a great man.
we know,,. everyone has done the wrong thins.
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