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To Times' Jane Macartney: Stop ignoring Chinese People's Voice

本主题由 大风扬云 于 2008-3-31 14:13 加入精华
这个事件唯一的优点就是让中国人团结起来了,想一想吧,中国人成为一盘散沙都有几百年了?

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I'm a chinese. I'm here just because I want to say something without prejudice.                                                                                                                                                                                                
I had an opportunity to choose anather foreign language as my second foreign language last year. The first one is English, of course. I chose German since I pretty like this country and it' people. Germanic features and their attitude towords everything have deeply impressed me.
                                                                                                                                                                                                                     I believe they are prudent, cautious and they always show complete impartiality in discussing some sensitive issues.

                                                                                                                                                                                                               But now I have to admit that what I have seen from this forum and the news completely destroyed my belief and of course,many other's.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                      We are, kind of frustrated and disappointed. We are tired. What chinese people want is just to live a happy life without any interruption from any other country. This may be a basic expection. Please excuse us for thinking like that. We had an awful history between 1840 and 1945, which was, be honestly, brought by some wertern countries, mainly including English, France, America, also Germany, and an Asia country, Janpan. It was not a history written by the communists. It was a history told by my grandpa, my grandma, and many other elder relatives. We hope we can remember the period of history just in case we are invaded again several decades later. Compared with that awful history, the present China, ruled by the Communist Party, has satisfied our requirements. I'm not a communist and do not want to be a communist. I do not support the Communist Party but I totally support the government. Maybe there is no differences between Communist Party and the present Chinese government for some western people, who don't have the basic knowledge of the present China so that they can't distinguish and also can not understand why we support the government.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                  Said the truth, I'm really out of energy to explain more of the Tibet affair. We ove all the people live in the land in China; we also love all the people in the world. We have down nothing but there are lots of people ask us and our government to testify what we haven't down. While according to the civil law system or the common law system, it is those people that should testify what we have down. Ridiculously, their testimony and evidence can't be adopted since they've modified the evidence and their even don't have a real witness who can swear on the Bible.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                   Once I have been a little puzzled that whether I should go on my Deutsch study. The people who I used to admire do not believe our words. They prefer the lama rather than the millions of people. If you want, there is a lot of kind looking old men in China like DL lama. But to the contrary, they would not kill people and treat people as animals like DL lama. Kind looking doesn't means kindness. The way he treats you is different from he treats us.



                                                                                                                                                                                                               There exists the so-called discrimination against the "han"people, but not the minorities in China. "Zang" is one of the 55 privileged monirities in China. The whole country has 56 ethnic groups. I'm still a student now. The college entrance examination has more restriction to the "han",which take a predominantly majority proportion of Chinese population. The minorities have more oppotunities to get higher education. The government gives them money to peaceful demonstrate, if only they want. Even the lama, are also paid and raised by the government except the one who had run away.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                We just want a harmonious society with independent and equal individuals. So we privilege the monorities of powers and rights as many as possible in a way that most people from other countries cannot believe. The solid foundation of that policy is based on the 5000 years culture.

                                                                                                                                                                                                                   So if someone hadn't been to China, he would not have the right to say anything about China. While the truth is, most people who are criticising China haven' been to China not at least once. They cannot tell the Chinese history that doesn't originate from the media but some authoritive writings admited by both sides.



                                                                                                                                                                                                                  As for the Tibet culture, I hope people can understand that cultural integration cannot avoid under the circumstances of globalization.  We Chinese people also have lost many part of our traditional cultom under wave of civelization. We have lost our traditional raiments; we have lost our traditional customs; We also have lost many typical buildings. But what's more important, we lost the degenerate social, political and cultural system. We are trying our best to make our society become a real democracy and liberty country. We are learning from all the advanced country. But it needs a long period of time to make that dream come true. We have a dream, like Martin Luther King's, and this dream is perfectly expressed by the  slogan of the 2008 Olympic Games in Beijing, "one world, one dream."



                                                                                                                                                                                                                Now I'm quite sure I should go on my Deutsch study, for that dream.


                                                                                                                                                                                                                  PS:

If someone has different opinions, please send messages to me. I would like to discuss any issue with anyone so that we can both aquire two different thoughts.

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北爱尔兰、苏格兰宣布独立

据CNN报道,由于反对大不列颠政府的人权歧视政策,北爱尔兰、苏格兰在伦敦当地时间2008年4月8号16点宣布独立。

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佛罗里达、阿拉斯加、夏威夷群岛、加利福尼亚宣布独立

据BBC最新消息,由于反对布什的单边主义战争政策以及不满美元贬值和国民生活水平下降,佛罗里达、阿拉斯加、夏威夷群岛、加利福尼亚于美国东部时间2008年4月8号11点宣布独立。白宫召开紧急会议商讨对策

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顶楼主,做的太好了!谢谢1

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我觉得和他们说都是浪费时间,他们又不是不懂道理.不知道真相的是那些西方老百姓,不是这些记者或者政府领导.
一如既往

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支持奥运!!!支持中国!!!!反对没有最起码的良心和道德的西方人!!!

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我顶,就是顶,没得说.
爱情就像两个拉着橡皮筋的人,受伤的总是不愿放手的那一个!

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我也很奇怪,为什么都说我们是政府的,政府我们想进都进不去的~

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强力支持!!就算其他人看不到,让那些审核资料的人看了,也够他斟酌!
我以后都不喝可口可乐了

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好文章,不卑不亢,掷地有声!

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写得好~~发给她吧!

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强烈支持楼主。说得好!!希望我们的声音能够越来越大,我们能够越来越团结。希望通过这次事件,不但让我们思考很多,而且让西方人也可以开始反思。让我们彼此能够更好的了解和理解对方,让他们知道世界是多元化的,文化是多元好的。不能让他们总是带着世俗的文明优越感来歧视和蔑视他人。

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好样的楼主,我们支持你!

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强顶!!!!!!   bs德国人

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强顶!!!!!!   bs德国人

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好样的!

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To Tao

Thanks for bringing Time's reports up here. I'm a Chinese, I happened to have read a quite similar report by the CNN News, not that I liked to, but was directed by a poster on this thread for more bias west media examples. Today I also went to the TIme's website directed by your post and read Ms. McCartney's article about herself on the Tibetan  issue. I also read half of the posts by people from many countries. But like what it happened to yourself, my post doesn't show up there (blocked by the Times, or actually by our own govnt?).

However, regarding McCartney's report on Tibetan monks criticising on the police suppression I suggest you go to CNN's site for the similar report but with a video clip of the inccedent. One thing I do not understand is what did those monks really said about the police brutality, cause it's all in Tibetan but "translated" by the western reporters, and the Chinese authority seemed not in anyway interested in understanding the words (being only transalated into english for the western media's use). What I do want to get it cleared is actually why the riot happened and when and how it happened. Had there a peaceful demonstration before the riot and had there any police crack down on the "peaceful" demonstration prior to the riot. I believe this was what the west was focusing on at the moment. Would you be able to answer it? Thanks very much.

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好样的·······这次西方人的形象估计永远都修复不了

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干的漂亮!!!最好问下她对北爱尔兰  科西嘉岛.......的事上什么看法!!!!

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我现在知道

西方媒体的焦点是集中在人权问题上,但是这些西方人应该知道的非常清楚,英国和美国在西藏问题上历来是以分裂中国为宗旨,老牌英国殖民主义者统治印度期间就入侵了西藏,他们并没有把西藏统治下贫困和受压迫的西藏农奴的人权放在心上,入侵目的仅仅是为了保护它在印国的既得利益。英国撤退后美国很快就继承了衣钵,尤其是共产党在中国西藏成功实行自治后就一直没停止对中国新政权统治下的西藏的干扰渗透。这就是当前西方国际企图分裂西藏的深层原因。这些因素想必这些西方媒体不会不知道,他们是在装聋做哑,只是利用了人权问题和奥运契机向中国政府施加压力。

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我之前也觉得西藏是个宗教气息浓重也是非常神秘的,

但是看了一段录象后我以自己的阅历告诉自己,正如马克思所指出的,宗教是统治者统治下层劳动人民的精神鸦片,dl本人虽然并不能完全代表西藏统治阶级,因为藏教是历经数百年继承的结果,而他只是一个宗教体制下的产物,通过转世灵童的挑选他被人为的转化成了一个活神,而苦难的藏胞对dl的“神性”深信不疑。

统治者往往通过一种信念(实际是迷信)来控制民众,但是人类世界往往是辨证的,即你不能完全不信,也不可全信。完全不信使人成为动物,全信则令自己无法自救。而这是全体中国人,包括藏人必须解决的严重问题。

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Don't try to comment on her articles on the Times site.

Your comments will not get posted.

All my three comments are not posted.

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Tao! 好样的!

不卑不亢, 合情合理!

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引用:
原帖由 投笔从容 于 2008-4-2 04:08 发表 大家能用外语写的话用外语吧,咱自己人都知道了,来这里也不只是为了出口气的。坛子里已经有不少老外留言了,来看过的人也一定不少。刚才看到一位西班牙朋友Dan说这建议呢,说你们应该多用英文写,不明真相的都是不懂汉语的啊 ...
Agreed with 投笔从容!  

同意 “投笔从容”的建议!

1st, I've noted that many foreigners (although they are friends who live around us), they hardly believe what we are saying ---- Because what they heard about Tibet or China governme