【08.09.28】泰晤士报网友评论中国精英特供食品
【登载媒体】泰晤士报【来源地址】[url=http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/china/article4837647.ece]http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/asia/china/article4837647.ece[/url]
【译者】荡漾
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[size=3]泰晤士报9月28日亚洲新闻刊载了由Michael Sheridan撰写的一篇名为[b]“China's elite eat pure food as babies die”[/b]（《婴儿死亡但中国精英却享用特供有机食品》）的文章，列举了所谓中国领导人（政治精英）享用特供的无农药有机食品，包括牛肉、鱼类、茶叶以及粮食等等。并引用所谓特供中心人员的说法称此举是为了保证高级领导人的健康。[/size]
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[size=3] 文章称《人民日报》随即发表否认声明，称该消息纯属捏造。文章同时着笔叙述中国的牛奶丑闻对婴幼儿造成的伤害以及对公众信心的打击。在文章的最后，作者引用新华社的评论称中方意欲引入西方式的公共关系和品牌危机管理手段，引用国内私人博客的抱怨表示公众对中国消息不透明的不满并提及西藏暴乱。[/size]
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[[i] 本帖最后由 荡漾 于 2008-10-7 21:57 编辑 [/i]]
读者评论1-10则
【读者评论及翻译】In the modern world the only difference between communist and democrat is that democrats are arrogant enough not to care that voters know that some are more equal than others.
[color=blue]Udo, Melbourne[/color], Australia 澳大利亚
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在现代化的世界里，共产主义者和民主主义者唯一的区别就是民主主义者很傲慢且不关心那些更加了解平等的选民。
that's pure nonsens! The Queen lives in castle while other brits are homeless.
[color=blue]shenqi[/color], beijing 北京
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简直是胡说八道！女王住在城堡中而其他英国人则无家可归。
To Shenqi of Beijing - the UK does not have a fanciful system whereby the rich are tyrannical and the poor are meant to be leaders. The West is proud of it's capitalism and we all know and accept that such inequalities exist. However, such inequalities in China are purely hypocritical.
[color=blue]Danielle[/color], Melbourne 墨尔本
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[/color]@shenqi of Beijing: 英国并没有一个富人专制穷人要成为领导阶层的幻想式的体制。西方自豪的是它的资本主义，我们都清楚这点并接受这样的不平等存在。然而这样的不平等在中国纯粹是虚伪。
For millenia Chinese children have suffered from rickets and millions still do. It has taken a long while to persuade the people to drink milk and other dairy products. One sees the children with their milk bags and packets sucking on straws. This is likely to flag with such scandals and fears.
[color=blue]Ralph[/color], Mianyang,Sichuan 四川
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过去千年来中国儿童一直饱受佝偻病之苦，至今还有很多。花了很长的时间才让人们接受喝牛奶及食用其他奶制品。现在很容易看到孩子们用吸管喝牛奶。这可能影响到牛奶丑闻及人们的恐惧。
Yes, one of the worst articles I've ever read about China - speculative and effectively source-less.
What's the link with the Tibetan riots? This is what Chinese people mean when they say that the Western media is inherently anti-China.
[color=blue]Joe Orton[/color], Chongqing 重庆
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居心叵测、缺乏根据——这无疑是我读过的最差劲的文章之一。这和西藏暴徒有什么关系？这就是中国人所说的——西方媒体反华都成定势了。
shenqi, beijing,
Exactly! Also 30% of children in the UK live in poverty, one of the highest rates in the Western World.
We should put our own house in order before standing on our soap box
[color=blue]Phill[/color], The Wirral, England 英格兰
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@shenqi, Beijing: 很对！英国也有30%的孩子身处贫困，是西方世界最高比例之一。在我们站到洗手池前先把自己的家打扫干净吧。
I wonder which restaurant they dine in in Bejing, I will be certain to visit next time.
[color=blue]Farrukh[/color], Woking, 沃京
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我想知道他们在北京哪家餐馆用餐，下次我一定要去。
China's elite eat pure food while babies die. Beijing spends money on a spacewalk, as their stock markets tank, wiping out the life-savings of ignorant investors. In the US money is tied up in financial failures, with citizens soon to lack the wherewithal to buy even cheap products from China.
[color=blue]yoshinogawa[/color], British Columbia, Canada 加拿大
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[/color]中国的精英食用有机食品而婴儿死亡；北京花大钱去太空漫步而股票市场持续低迷，无知的投资者一辈子的积蓄化为乌有。在美国人们的钱因金融危机套牢，不久之后人们将缺钱花，连中国制造的廉价商品都买不起。
Just as there are no sacred cows there are no countries beyond reproach...especially China,India et cetera.I am not amused by these Western "China Apologists" who fervently denounce any justifiable criticisms about their "beloved" China.China is still quite backward and merits objective assessment.
[color=blue]Frederick Christensen[/color], Uppsala, Sweden 瑞典
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如同没有不能被批评的圣人一样，也没有国家是不受指责的，特别是像中国、印度等国家。那些西方的“中国卫士”热衷于谴责任何针对他们“深爱”的中国合理的批评，我并不认同。中国仍然相当落后，作出客观的评价才好。
From the view of the elite, 13, 000 children is not a big number, because China has the highest populations in the world, 13 billions. 13,000, just like a red blood cell in a body.
[color=blue]Gary[/color], Hong Kong, 香港
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从精英的角度看，13000名儿童不算什么大数字。因为中国有世界上最多的13亿人口，13000不过就像身体里的一个红细胞罢了。 好贴，荡漾翻译的文章就是好。先占个沙发o3O105)
读者评论11-22则
【读者评论及翻译】The way I see it. Most of the Brits who have lived in China for sometime tend to be sympathetic with the Chinese. Only those who never been to China errogantly blame China for one thing or another.
[color=blue]Guo Li,[/color] Beijing, China 北京
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说说我是怎么看这个问题的吧。大多数住在中国的英国人有时候对中国人是富有同情心的，只有那些从未到过中国的人才会傲慢地没完没了地责难中国。
It's ridiculous.... Does the author really know about China? By the way , I am a chinese!
[color=blue]Tong[/color], hangzhou, 杭州
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太可笑了，这个作者真得了解中国吗？顺便说一句，我是中国人！
don't touch the chinese rulers!
[color=blue]liubei[/color], milan, 米兰
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[/color]不要触及中国领导人！
Many things in China go unreported. Probably the entire Chinese Diary products in and outside china posses risk. I was in China for last 5 years probably and i used to drink lot of milk now i am staying in India its time for me to go for a kidney check up.
[color=blue]santosh.valipe[/color], Banglore, India 印度
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[/color]在中国很多事情是不可能被报道的。也许中国本地和出口的奶制品都有风险。我在中国待过5年，喝过很多牛奶。现在我住在印度，看来我该去做个肾检查了。
To Joe Orton,
I am a Tibetan and I called Tibetan uprising. Using work riot is too cheap for all the Tibetan lives lost under Chinese bullet and in prison. By the way, it is media's job to print out the truth where ever it happens. Shame on Chinese Communist elites. Same as Kim jon ill.
[color=blue]Tenor,[/color] Lhasa, Tibet 西藏
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[/color]@Joe Orton：我是个藏人，我呼吁西藏要起义。用暴徒这个词来形容那些死于中国人子弹或被关进监狱的藏族人太不合适了。还有，媒体有责任还原发生的事情的真相。中国共产党精英真该觉得羞愧，生病了的金正日也一样。
“Poisoned dumplings exported to Japan” was much more a criminal act than a failure in food safety management. China initially denied a possible cause in the plant (implying a supply chain incident). But they later admitted local Chinese people also suffered health hazards from the same product.
[color=blue]Tetsu[/color], Tokyo, Japan 日本
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[/color]“出口到日本的毒饺子”应该被看作是犯罪而不仅仅是所谓的食品安全管理的过失。一开始中国否认是工厂的事故（供应链事故），但后来承认中国人自己出现的健康危害就来自同一种产品。
This kind of news can just fool the westerners, but keep off with Chinese people because this is easily found out as fake news. Searching all the blogs to find negative news for Chinese government to split it with Chinese people is not a good idea. And thats why they dont believe west media any more
[color=blue]Ran[/color], York, UK 英国
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这种新闻只能骗到西方人而不是中国人，因为很容易就看出这是假新闻。从中国人的博客上摘抄负面新闻来挑拨中国政府和中国人并不明智。这正是为什么中国人再也不相信西方媒体的原因。
China has come a long way in a short time.
Until China's food and drug safety laws catch up to the growth in greed of its entrepreneurs and officials, our governments must carefully test all imports from China.
I feel sorry for ordinary Chinese citizens who have no government to protect them.
[color=blue]Keith S[/color], Winnipeg, Canada 加拿大
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中国用很短的时间走了漫长的进程。在中国的食品和药品安全法律赶上他们那些贪婪的企业家和官员之前，我们的政府都应该仔细检查所有进口自中国的产品。我为普通的中国人感到遗憾，没有一个能够保护他们的政府。
China is a huge country with 1.3 billion people (56 nationalities). Can any Western country (USA included) claim they do not have problems? Taking size and population into account, China is not doing badly. In fact it is progressing to the envy of the West. Rome was not build in a day. China too.
[color=blue]Lim[/color], Johor Bahru, Malaysia 马来西亚
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中国是一个有着13亿人口（56个民族）的大国，试问哪个西方国家（也包括美国）敢声称它没有任何问题？考虑到面积和人口中国做得并不差。事实上西方妒忌中国的发展。罗马不是一天建成的，中国也一样。
I agree with you. Can it be the British utra rich and people in the government do eat the same kind of food the common people and the poor eat? And I can't see the logic for this article.
Who really knows whether the leaders had not drunk tainted milk too?
[color=blue]Lim[/color], Johor Bahru, Malaysia 马来西亚
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[/color]我表示赞同。英国超级富豪和政府官员可能和普通人、穷人吃一样的食物么？我看不出这篇文章的逻辑关系。有谁真正了解是否这些（中国）领导人没有食用有毒牛奶的婴儿？
I do not see the link between the elites eating pure food and the baby milk issue. Surely the elites have babies who drink milk too.
Western posters think d West can do no wrong but look at the mess they are in now. And we are supposed to learn finance & economics from them. World needs change!
[color=blue]Lim[/color], Johor Bahru, Malaysia 马来西亚
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[/color]我看不出精英享受有机饮食和婴儿牛奶丑闻之间有何必然联系。很明显精英也有喝牛奶的婴儿。西方媒体认为他们不会犯错但是看看现在他们制造的混乱。我们可能要从他们（中国）身上学学经济财政。世界需要改变！
The Chinese goverment, having achieved extraordinary feats in space/olympics, should be exempted from criticisms when they messed up their milk and employed state propaganda machine as a control? Ppl ought to pick up the grain of truth in any criticisms instead of vehemently on the defensive.
[color=blue]J Chen[/color], Los Angeles, USA 美国洛杉矶
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[/color]中国政府在航天/奥运上取得了非凡的成绩，当他们出现牛奶丑闻、媒体成为被国家雇佣控制的宣传工具时就不应该受到批评吗？人们应该拿起真理面对任何批评而不是代之以大力防卫。
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[attach]76784[/attach] 居然泰晤士报还不辟谣，真是无良媒体 有时候看网友评论会觉得西方社会还有得救，不过好像对报道持批评态度的多数是中国人 @Joe Orton：我是个藏人，我呼吁西藏要起义。用暴徒这个词来形容那些死于中国人子弹或被关进监狱的藏族人太不合适了。还有，媒体有责任还原发生的事情的真相。中国共产党精英真该觉得羞愧，生病了的金正日也一样。
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这“藏人”的英文名取的真好!
装13也不是这样装的 有谁真正了解是否这些（中国）领导人没有食用有毒牛奶的婴儿？
这是翻译错误还是`````！中国领导还吃人啊！- -？》Q14) 看读者评论确实很有意思，鲜活，有个性。 o3O100)
看了沃京和印度那两位读者的评论，差点笑出来，呵。
西方读者对中国的了解相比过去已经前进了不少，在更多的西方人踏上中国的土地之前，网络也是一个可以充分利用的阵地，看到中国读者的留言，颇感欣慰，无论立场如何，发出自己的声音就有意义。 [quote]原帖由 [i]lushude[/i] 于 2008-10-8 02:05 发表 [url=http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/redirect.php?goto=findpost&pid=1480816&ptid=105703][img]http://www.anti-cnn.com/forum/cn/images/common/back.gif[/img][/url]
有谁真正了解是否这些（中国）领导人没有食用有毒牛奶的婴儿？
这是翻译错误还是`````！中国领导还吃人啊！- -？》Q14) [/quote]没有错误，是说领导人也有婴儿，婴儿也会食用牛奶，呵呵。 看了外国网友的评论，证明了这样一句话：群众的眼睛是雪亮的。
垃圾西方媒体早晚要失去市场~ 不管如何中国领导人确实用特供食品，中国食品问题和贪污是长期问题，到目前没看到他们的治理方法。只看到不断满足洋人要求，今天又对外资银行开放了贷款业务。 日本那只说得很形象 Q67) 加拿大那只也是。。马来西亚那个老愤的，哈哈。。。
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